George Lucas’ Red Tails- No Black Women

The New Film Red Tails by George Lucas is due out in Theaters this Friday January 20th. The movie is supposed to be about the true story of the Tuskegee airmen, the Black men who became some of the first pilots in WWII to have a near perfect escort record. They acted very courageously as bomber escorts. They fought in segregated units and not only had to deal with discrimination in military, but in the United States. They basically had to fight for rights overseas, that they themselves couldn’t enjoy at home. HBO did a film YEARS ago about the Tuskegee airmen, it was really good, you should check it out when you get a chance.

This film Red Tails is being marketed as a ‘Black Film’ that  is supposed to be telling the story of these brave Black men. However, I’m sure we’ve all heard the controversy by now, this so-called ‘Black Film,’ erases Black women  completely from their roles as supportive wives, mothers and sisters of the Tuskegee airmen. Before you jump down my throat with “well, this is about BLACK MEN during WWII, its not about Black WOMEN…let Black men have their moment to shine.” First let me say I had a Grandfather who fought in WWII, and three Great Uncles. My Grandfather and his brother were marines and my two Great Uncles were in the army. I am extremely proud of them and I would always bring them up during discussion on WWII in my Highschool history classes, I did book reports on them and I always made sure that people KNEW that Black men fought and contributed to World War II as well. It wasn’t just white men who put their lives on the lines for this country. So, I love Black men and I want so much for this story to be told. But, please explain to me WHY is it that it seems that Black women have had their role completely erased from this history? If you haven’t heard the main love interest in the film is an Italian-white woman…yes…no Black love interest because we all know Black women can’t be in films as the supportive and loving wife, we can only be the sapphire, the mammy or the Jezebel.

In case you didn’t Know Tuskegee airmen (nearly all of them) had Black wives who supported them, cared for them and stood by them. It was their Black wives, mothers, sisters and daughters who sent them letters and packages, encouraged them and threw them parades and parties when they came back as heroes. It was also Black women (and Black men who didn’t go to war) who overwhelmingly donated blood to Black servicemen during the war because blood donations were even segregated…yes…Black soldiers were not allowed to get blood donations from non-Blacks, so it was other Blacks who gave their blood. Finally, when the Tuskegee airmen returned to the United States, it was their Black wives who helped to integrate the airbase and faced the discrimination along with their Black men.

So, why do Black women appear to be conspicuously absent from this rendition of the Tuskegee airmen and not only that, but they’re replaced by a white woman. My Great Uncle told me when he was overseas in Europe, he and other Black soldiers were routinely approached by German and Italian women and asked if they had tails…The racism that Black men faced both at home and overseas was very intense and frequently it was Black wives, daughters, mothers who had to support them because no one else would.

In fact, Black men were frequently forced to give up their seats on trains to German Prisoner’s of War. There were many Black women who objected to this practice. In one incident, Lena Horne was performing at USO sponsored military event and she noticed that the Black men were seated behind the White men and the German POWs and she actually walked toward the section with the Black men and sang TO THEM with her back facing the White soldiers and German POWs and later she filed a complaint with the NAACP. Josephine Baker also refused to perform in front of segregated audiences during the War.

World War II and the actions of Black men and Black women contributed enormously to the racial progress of the country, it was part of what led to the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. There was this idea of “The Double V,” victory at home and victory overseas. For many Black people, fighting overseas was a way to demonstrate that they were American citizens worthy of the same rights as any other Americans. Many felt that if they could triumph overseas, it would bring them one step closer to equality on the home front.

So, to omit Black women from this narrative and not portray the story accurately by including Black women as supportive wives, lover, sisters, mothers (to me) is a slap in the face, especially to women like my Grandmother and Great Aunts who cared for Black men when no one else would. It erases our image from history and puts a White Woman as the love interest. It’s nothing more than racism as far as I’m concerned. It’s racism, the same way that the Princess and the Frog was racist. Hold up y’all…I loved the song from the movie, but the bottom line is she was frog for most of the movie and the guy they put her with had major issues, but that’s another topic. It seems like whenever we have a positive movie about Black women or Black men, they are always paired with a non-black person. What message is that sending to people? When we only have movies like The Help,  For Colored Girls, Norbit and Precious where Black women and Black men are portrayed as all having dysfunctional relationships, what does that say? Now, before you get on me, if it were more balanced and we had more positive portrayals of Black relationships, it would be perfectly fine to have a positive portrayal of Black men interracial relationship. But its getting to be too much negative representation of Black relationships and not enough positive representations to balance it out. The media makes it seem as if interracial relationships are the only functional form of love for Black people…as if we can’t love each other. You can love anyone, stop putting a premium on interracial relationships as if they’re inherently better and give us some balance here.

I also find it interesting that people will play the “color blind love,” card ONLY when it applies to Black men or Black women. If you notice in almost every other WWII movie that’s about white people, the movie always has a WHITE leading lady as the love interest. Pearl Harbor, Saving Private Ryan, Flags of Our Fathers, they always highlighted the supportive role that white wives, mothers, sister and daughters played. But, on the one rare occasion where they show Black men in a positive and heroic light…Black women are missing as their supportive wives, lovers, mothers and sisters? If this was just truly about color blind love…why wouldn’t we see more films where the White American men had asian, latina or Black love interests. We KNOW that white men frequently had romantic affairs with Samoan, Filipino women while overseas…why don’t we see movies that show the great love affair between the White American man and the Samoan or Filipino woman? Why is it that its only Black people who are expected to “transcend race?” Is this really about racial liberation and breaking down barriers or is it something else…?

I know that I, as a  Black woman, am sick to death of the stereotypes and sick to death of being misrepresented and erased from history. I find it appalling that Black women would not be given their due credit even as a support system for Black men during this era and how dare they ERASE the image of our Black foremothers who stood by, loved and cared for those Black men who fought overseas?!

I was hoping that my assumption about the movie and impression I got from IMDB was wrong, but some have already seen an early screening of the film and it appears that Black women are not portrayed well in the movie at all and are virtually absent. It appears that there are no Black leading ladies and certainly no Black women love interest. A distortion of history at it’s finest.

As much as I LOVE the story of the Tuskegee airmen and as much as I want for Black boys to have some heroes to look up to and to understand that they too contributed to the history of this country, why should I be expected to sacrifice the image of my Black mothers who are just as deserving of recognition… After all the sacrifices Black women made during that time…I guess that’s not worthy of recognition, I guess it more exciting to create a fictional romance between a white woman and Black  airmen and just ignore the contribution of the Black wives(and by the way nearly all the Tuskegee airmen  married Black women), black mothers and sisters.

In addition, we’ve got George Lucas trying to coerce Black women into supporting a film that really distorts our image and ignores reality. Why should Black women be expected to support something that misrepresents their image? How much more can Black women be expected to take? The Help was enough of a distortion…

Black women have always been the mammies, the jezebels and sapphires, when are we going to be the love interest, when are they going to tell THE TRUTH about us for once? As if we don’t see white women in every movie portrayed as the love interest…it is completely ignorant and appalling to change history and erase our Black foremothers from their places as wives, lover and supporters of Black men. It’s appalling to me. It sends the message that Black women’s contribution and support of Black men and this country does not matter. It also sends a message to young Black girls that they don’t deserve to be the love interest and they’re not worth fighting for whereas white and other non-Black women are.

I will be writing a review of this film later. I am not telling you whether or not you should support this film, that’s a decision you have to make for yourself. However, don’t feel pressured to see the movie if you don’t want to. If you want to see it, go for it, if you don’t want to see it (for whatever reason), you don’t have to feel guilty for that. You can support Black men and pay homage to the Tuskegee airmen in other ways. You can visit their museum, you can watch the HBO film, you can read a book.

So please don’t feel pressured to see it if you don’t want to and if you want to see it, of course that is your right too. George Lucas is not a Black man, his film company is not Black- owned and so what if he’s dating a Black woman. I am becoming very irritated because White producers/writers seem to want to patronize Black people and then distort our image on film. We don’t need a “white savior,” to tell our story, what we need is our own film companies and buisnesses. What we need is to support each other and stop relying on others to tell our stories.

You cannot make a “Black Movie,” about Black people and exclude Black women…then replace Black women with white/non-Black women. Last I checked Black PEOPLE included Black men, Black women AND Black children. To add insult to injury nearly ALL of the Tuskegee airmen were married to Black women, so why Black women are missing as wives and supporters is odd at best and racist at worst. I’m tired of history being white-washed and I find this unacceptable.

By the way, Black women were in the military during WWII also. 

I like this video below-

NOTE: It’s funny that [some] people are so offended by this when

a.) It’s just MY opinion

b.) I never said ANYTHING negative about Black men in my blog nor did I “tear Black men down.”  If anything, I would say I actually did the opposite in the my blog. 

c.) Would it be so difficult to include a single shot of a Black woman in the film, is it really too much to ask for? Am I asking for anything more than a normal woman would ask for?  I’m  not asking for half of the film to be about Black women but ZERO Black women in a so-called “BLACK FILM,” that Black PEOPLE (including Black women) are supposed to support…please.

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564 thoughts on “George Lucas’ Red Tails- No Black Women

  1. Thank you for yet another informative post. Your wisdom and insight exceeds your years.

    The absence of black women and their replacement by white women in this movie is the reason we must write and tell our own stories, even if on a small scale. No one else can tell our stories better.

    I still plan to see the movie.

    dbg

    1. Band of brothers (all white), Full Metal Jacket (All white) Solider Story (Mostly black): None of these films showcased women mostly because they were about war. If its that important, I suggest you black women get your money together and make a film about black women. It seems a fight is being picked over an issue that’s not really an issue…I’m just saying

      1. Sorry but she is right. I am a brother and why put a White woman in that role when it could have gone to a sister? I plan to see the movie but these are valid points. And I am sure there are many Black women out here telling stories my brother but unless they have the budget of Tyler Perry or Spike Lee, and Oprah won’t be telling any stories for us soon, but unless they have a budget like George Lucas they won’t be putting out a movie of this magnitude reaching this large of an audience. It seems to me that for some odd reason lately there is a war on the image of Black women and I don’t know how that happen. Many forget that these are the women who fed their families, ran their households, raised their kids and then turned around and did all of this in their own household, even though it was days long ago. Sisters deserve some recognition even if only a small movie part. I agree with her, what was he thinking–Hollywood really does need to stop re-writing history for their own purposes or their own casting desires.

      2. I agree that Black women need to be included but the film takes place in Europe & not in the U.S. so it would have been hard to do if the focus was the dogfights in the air.

      3. Your ignorant remarks just proves the point that the blogger stated in her message. My question to you is why are you so threaten by the stories of black history?

      4. Then there was no need for ANY woman to be in the movie at all. But you don’t see that? Right…

      5. I agree with you Richard the positive upstanding role for Black women has been eradicated so much that now there is no demand to have a Black woman aside her Black man which is only natural. Sistas roles are being given to any type of non Black woman there is. Just because you are not a white female does not automatically qualify you to be a Sista. It is disgusting that all these major Black women roles that do demand Real respect are given to all females that are non- black, hispanic, etc. When you study the true etymology of the word hispanic or latina it leads to being european. As much as I respect Don Cheadle as a great actor I despise that he accepted a non black female to play his girlfriend in the movie traitor. Here he is playing a Black African in Africa with the non black girlfriend from Chicago? One of the states with the most highest population of black people. Total disrespect for Sistas. In a war movies or corrupt CIA movies the white mans white woman never dies. But the this one time a movie do have an African Sista, she gets blown to pieces, Safe House with Denzel Washignton. And scene was soooo Brutal. It’s extremely disturbing. I been stopped spending my money to support movies that do support us. I haven’t been to the movies in years. And I don’t miss it. The help us as maids and getting awards for it. Very disturbing. White females should be getting major roles and winning Oscars as prostitutes. Not slander but truth who are the top madams. Doesn’t shed them in a good light check their. That’s ancient. Nothing new.

    2. I agree that Black women need to be included but the film takes place in Europe & not in the U.S. so it would have been hard to make that happen with out making the film longer than it is.

      1. Alex, That is a good point. But even though it is in Europe, the same thing goes on here in the usa. Black men do seem to be partial to other races of women. I believe its because blackk women has been downgraded on screen, as prostitus, loud uneducated women, harsh. People now seen to think that we are like that. Morales black people used to have seen to be gone. And all black people suffer because of it.

  2. Beautiful post sis! Very informative. You captured what I was feeling when I found out about the movie.

    I am not going to see this movie. There are other ways we can support the brave Black men who risked their lives… Mobilizing to add their stories to school history lessons, putting our money together as a collective to open recreation centers in their honor or establish scholarship funds… There is more we can do than put up $10 to support a movie that is more than likely factually inaccurate and told from a European perspective.

    Supporting this means supporting the racism that’s embedded in it. And that’s not what those brave men stood for.

    1. If you choose not to see this movie that’s your choice, but to say you wont SUPPORT this film is a comment that lacks intelligence ( just an opinion) This film was made for historic value and doesn’t need your support. History is supported by facts not the price you pay for a movie ticket. Your earlier statement that the movie is MORE THAN LIKELY FACTUALLY INACCURATE implies that the you don’t even know the history of the Airmen (another display of intelligence) at least the creators of this movie had collaberation from people who were there and just so you know, NO MOVIE IS 100% ACURATE not even ones based off of true events.

    2. I agree that Black women need to be included but the film takes place in Europe & not in the U.S. so it would have been hard to do it if the focus was the dogfights between jets in the air.

  3. Very compelling analysis. As a vet who also knew Black war heroes who were highly decorated, and as excited as I am to see this movie, it is extremely disappointing to see the lack of historical accuracy regarding Black WWII couples and Black women serving honorably during WWII.

      1. That’s the kind of cynicism that is running us off in droves. It takes a lot of nerve to be so…ugly. But hey, good luck finding someone to tolerate that foolishness.

        Good day!

      2. Notice how black men can only comment when Its about their making an effort for black women. Black men may be leaving in droves but you’re also being divorced in droves. At least black women are staying married to nonblack men. Can’t say the same about black men and nonbw can we?

    1. I’m a Black Man and I posted. It may just be that not many Black men know of this blog …… I Found It By Accident……..

      1. We must as the Book says “Guard Against Being Deceived.” Despite the high profile inter-racial relations btween Black Men n Women of other races …. Most Studies Have Shown That The Majority Of Black Men Are Still Involved In Relationships (Marriage n other) With Black WOMEN.

        Now, pay close attention to how “Ur Mind Does Not Want To Let Go And Will Actually Fight To Hold On To Its’ Previous Belief!” Sometimes e live with a lie for so looooong, that we fight the truth when it comes.

        If there’s doubt in what I say, I Invite Anyone Who Doubts The validity of What I say … To Go And Research It For Yourself.. As a matter of fact…..”Don’t Believe Me! But U’ll Need Facts, Not Opinion To Show Me False.” Check it for yourself………

  4. Lovely insight. I am going to see the movie later today and maybe I will come back and do a concise review of it. I did not read any synopsis of the movie, and was going into in completely blind until I read your post. I didn’t even know there was a movement going on against the movie. Being here in Canada, I am not always aware of what our neighbours next door are doing. I will reserve further comment until I see the movie.

  5. thank you for this! i also just finished a blog on the same topic – I’m so disgusted by the whole thing!

    p.s. i borrowed a few of your pics – i hope you dont mind

      1. This article is ignorant!! What you obviously didn’t research is how hard George Lucas worked at even getting an all black cast movie about our nations history out in theatres. He was told by hollywood that “we dont know how to market a movie like this” MEANING the all black cast. Funders were not willing to take the risk. George Lucas put about $100 Million of his own money on the line to get this movie made. He has opened doors for future black filmmakers and for the opportunity for more movies like this to be made. As a writer, you need to do a little more research…rather than making it about you..BAD ARTICLE!! Regarding the White Woman, this was a TRUE story and that is what happened with one of the single black men in the Tuskegee training program. They kept the movie focused on location and kept it on the facts of the WAR. Adding a Black woman just for the sake of it would have changed the truth of the story. It wasn’t about each men’s family situation or who they had supporting them from home, that would be a whole different type of movie. He wanted to get the story out about these Heroes because they were not acknowledged how they should have been because of their skin color. Stop thinking about YOUR story and re-think George Lucas’s vision and dedication…and appreciate it for what it really is..

  6. I fail to see where ‘Red Tails’ requires a positive depiction of black love and relationships when the film is about war. Anyone who has ever had the honor of serving his country in the time of war knows only love for two things 1) His rifle & 2) the man next to him.

    While it’s true that black women were mothers, wives, and sisters to black military personnel fighting overseas, I fail to understand how their role as “supporters” warrants them a role in ‘Red Tails’. I don’t want to put words into your mouth but it seems as if you’re insinuating black women were as important to black soldiers as the Tuskegee Airmen were to white bomber groups. Please allow me to explain.

    If I understand you correctly your expanding upon the idea that black women are missing from the movie ‘Red Tails’ correct? Based on what I’ve read you disagree with George Lucas decision not to feature a variety of black women in the movie because you feel black women played an integral part in the lives of black pilots during WWII.If this is correct I need for you to expand further into this theory and explain to me what exactly these women did that kept these men motivated and alive?

    I don’t need for you to explain what these women did after these men came home from war. Doing this isn’t necessary as I’m well versed in U.S./African American history. Instead, I want you to explain what these women did to deserve a prominent role in a black war film when these women were not in the midst of battle. This film is about battle, not love. Lucas added the interracial element to the film for theatrics.

    The women you desire to be recognized didn’t fire a single shot. These women didn’t jump from the back of airplanes into darkness not knowing what awaited them upon landing. These women didn’t fight the German’s by air or ground. What’s I’m trying to say is black wives during WWII played a role similar to that of white wives. It’s reasonable to believe they wrote letters, mailed care packages, pictures, and other items to offer their husbands a glimpse of home.

    But for you to argue that these women played a prominent enough role to warrant them a large presence in the film is preposterous. The first Tuskegee Airmen film with Lawrence Fishburne didn’t showcase black wives and neither should this one.

    Only thing this film needs to show viewers is airplanes, blood, bullets, guts, and glory. There is little space for love in war. You’re taught to love two things and I mentioned them above. As for the absence of black women in this film I don’t see a problem with it because after all history remembers hero’s, not the men and women standing behind them.

    Respectfully,

    Magister Veritatis

    1. i beg your pardon where did I say they required a LARGE presence in the film? I said there were none in the film and I’ve seen it there are none! YOU ARE TELLING ME they had time to put an italian romance in but could’t find time to put in one scene of an airmen holding up a picture of a wife or mother? It’s that difficult to do that…ridiculous. Thank you

      1. To Magister Veritatis(RNI):
        No, we didn’t fire a single shot but white women certainly didn’t fire any shots. White women didn’t suffer along side white men when they returned to the states. Further, white European women referred to black men as monkeys.

      2. it seems like everyone is making excuses when the solution was quite easy, just put in a Black woman as if there’s something incredibly wrong with putting a Black woman and giving the due credit. i don’t think half the movie needed to be about Black women BUT ZERO, that’s racist and sexist and to be produced by so-called Black men is even more absurd and insane. If we made a movie about ida well barnetts and cast her husband as a white englishmen i wonder how that would fly…

      3. Peace Ms. Proudchocolategirl!
        Many of these responses lack temperance and strong premises.
        I haven’t seen the movie as of yet. I plan to see it. But if what you say is accurate,
        I would be inclined to agree with you. In a movie with the Tusgegee Airmen, it would only seem logical that there would be some ladies of their shared hue on the screen.

        In a loosely related topic:
        I have noticed from a young age that Ladies who share my complexion don’t have many lead roles in tinseltown. And that is NOT an opinion. It can be validated on imdb.com

        Other Facts –
        – The Academy Awards are 80 years old
        – There are at least 24 categories
        – Only 13 Actors/Actresses have won awards that look like me
        – Only 12 people of my hue have won Oscars for non-acting categories
        – Only 5 are women

        America and the rest of the world have two things in common:
        1.They are racist/prejudice against us (This includes us in many cases… *frown)
        2.Women in general will always be discriminated against to a larger extent.

        This disappoints me.

        I look forward to actually watching this film and coming back to this blog. HAve a great night! -peace

        -Root

      4. A Note:
        There were several family pictures in the living quarters that could be prominately seen. There were also several references to wives, children, and parents back home. In addition, there were also references to at least two HBCU’s. Perhaps the movie might be worth a second look see so that you can catch all of those.

      5. seen the movie, wasn’t impressed and about the italian romance, there were Black women stationed overseas and the bottom line is Tuskegee airmen were married to BLACK WOMEN, not Italian women. and in my other thread we discussed multiple times that actually there were Black women stationed overseas …even if they slept with Italian women,White men slept with Samoan/Filipino women overseas and you WILL NEVER see a film that puts an interracial relationship between a white soldier above his white american woman and they’ll always reference or demonstrate the support white wives gave to their white servicemen… I said what I saw was there were NO Black women in a film about BLACK PEOPLE…you don’t find that odd…what Black people only constitutes Black MEN these days? You don’t see a problem with Black women being completely absent from this supposed Black movie, which is really about black men/non-black women and white men? Tell me when you watch Saving Private Ryan or ANY OTHER WWII film about wm how often do you see (even in movies that take place overseas) WW COMPLETELY neglected from the plot, no pictures or reference to them at all?

        Answer me that and tell me why you think its different with this film, then tell me how you would rate the media’s treatment of Black women in film IN GENERAL and how this film is any different?

        okay?

        p.s. if you had to watch so closely to catch it they didn’t care if you saw it, let’s not “over do it” by implying that they were “prominent,” they weren’t prominent you could barely make out what the picture was of actually…no close up nothing. I know because i looked at the wall and I had to squint and could still barely see them and no I’m not blind.

    2. and if you want to reduce the contributions of Black women as supporters of the airmen, that’s your opinion and your right. But your comment is null and void to me because if it was important enough to put a cliche romance into the film, but not important enough to put the women who overwhelming supported these men in reality…couldn’t even have a scene of a Black man holding a picture of his wife…couldn’t even have a scene where a Black man references a wife or a mother…when every other WW2 film about white men does just that…that’s absurd to me.

      1. Just a note, there were several scenes where the men referenced their family back home including wives and children. Even Jr. was said to have a wife and two children back home. As it was 1944 one would assume that the wife was black.

    3. But notice how white war movies also show their white love interests In some way. If that’s not so much to ask then why Is showing even a black lovers picture such a burden??? Spare me your explanations of validating black womens erasure because white people won’t go see it. If black people really wanted it- they would do it themselves

      1. In all fairness, and coming from a woman, I think that Magister Veritatis makes a valid point. And I will use the examples you made as far as the “love” mentioned in the “white movies” you mentioned.

        Pearl Harbor: That movie received boatloads of criticism about the love affair that saturated the movie, and overshadowed the history and war element. I personally thought it to be overkill. And I think that would have been extra fluff that would have done the same damage to Red Tails. If you put too much in a movie, it’s done. I think the exact same about Flags of our Fathers.

        Saving Private Ryan: Yes, we have a mother who has lost 4 sons in the war, and the goal is to get the 5th son back. That was the PLOT of the film that just happened to be a war story.

        I am sure that Lucas’ ultimate goal was to deliver a story with its focus ON the war. Not to mention, love, romance and family has never been his forte. I highly doubt that it was intention to leave out black women, and we as black women need to learn that there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to our portrayal and films. We’ve shown time again in our books and films that WE can do it. We need to stop relying on White Hollywood to do it and raising our blood pressure in the process.

    4. Very Well Said, MV! Furthermore the movie was about the abilities and actions by these BLACK PILOTS and I reiterate PILOTS and to my knowledge none of the pilots were Black Women, and it sounds to me that a lot of comments hinge on jealousy and sheer stupidity.

      1. We talk and take these positions cause somewhere “Waaaay Down Deep For Some and, Very close to The surface For Others, We Know That Somehow, Movies Are Not Just Movies, But POWERFUL, POWERFUL INFLUENCES!”

        Look at the RAP VIDEOS and Their Influences on our children. Are the Videos refleting the children or, are the children reflecting the videos? Either way. I know you’ll agree that…………………………………

      2. In reference to George Lucas’ ultimate goal, I think the masses are forgetting that the movie was written and directed by Black men from the likes of The Wire and The Boondocks. George Lucas is the producer. I’m sure the black men could have added an element of black women if they so desired, but it seems they were trying to be historically accurate. In that-there were many interracial relationships during WWII.

    5. I would somewhat agree with y however if there is going to be a lover why not a black woman. Once again the white woman is the trohpy and the black woman is not good enough.

      1. I totally agree. They are missing the point of the film. It’s sad that some people still see negative when it was all done in positivity.

    6. Anyone who has ever had the honor of serving his country in the time of war knows only love for two things 1) His rifle & 2) the man next to him. Only thing this film needs to show viewers is airplanes, blood, bullets, guts, and glory. There is little space for love in war.

      Irag – Afganistan – and perhaps very soon IRAN. The things U mention above are transferable to any combat situation. I hope not, but Ur words may soon come back to haunt U in some strange, distant land…….. and it won’t be a dream or A MOVIE…………………

  7. The placing of supportive wives would be inappropriate to begin another era of propaganda. The empowerment era for Black Women has left our Community devasted. There are some Universal Truths associated with this “World” and I can relate more to the “dipped in chocolate” jab more than giving a hot crap about the absence of Black Women. George Lucas is being propped up as a White Daddy right now and as long as He is I am wary of an Undiscussed aspect of this film – which is – although it may contain some uplifting scenes and images of Black Manhood the subliminals are still there!

    1. I believe it was white women who fought for equality within their relationships and marriages as we already had it, fool. Further, you seem to have no problem dismissing the role of black women in WWII while silently advocating for the presence of a white woman.

  8. I think your points about Red Tails would be valid if this film was of a different genre. However, this is an action adventure film, and the focus is on combat. Most of the movie is in Italy and one of the soldiers just so happens to see a woman as he is flies over her roof. If my aunt were still alive (my uncle is a living TA), I’m sure she wouldn’t have a problem with it because she would get that this movie isn’t supposed to cover life stories. Red Tails doesn’t tell the personal stories of the main characters, so why would it tells us about their significant others?

    1. then why bother to put in the personal story of the italian love interest if its just about combat. I think that’s an excuse that people are using bottom line is they could have put in a scene of a Black airmen holding up a picture of his Black wife and its completely inaccurate to erase Black women from this history and that can’t be denied that it’s inaccurate. If it was just about combat, then leave the italian romance out.

      1. Special shoutout to my sista above. I’d like to point out again that there were several instances where the families back home were acknowledged. In addition the main character had several pictures of his family on his wall next to the booze bottles and he wore a wedding ring. The interracial coupling of the time was historically accurate and was a nice juxtapose to how interracial relationships were treated in the U.S. vs. overseas hence the scene where the black solider was welcomed into the house of a white family.

      2. The story Red Tails is primarily about combat. It just so happens to be about the African American aviators and soldiers who placed their lives too on the line, in combat, for this great country we live in. The fact of black aviation/aviators was (and still is) terribly over shadowed by the continuous and inaccurate behavior of “white only” aviation and “white only” aviators. Yes, even today, only “white aviation” receives credit for most, if not all, aviation history (both civilian and military) and its modern day contribution and attributes within this industry.

        If your interest is seeing a love theme, about black aviation and the black woman as a central character and her relationship with men, then US history of black aviation would ask you to expect a wonderful aviation love story about Ms Bessie Coleman. She too, will impress African American women and their relationships men (black and white) and how they (men) played in her career and her life….she learned to fly in France.

    2. I hope you’re not a black woman because if you are, you are a part of the problem. I have a serious concern about black women whose minds are so closed that they are not aware that a problem exists. So, you thinks it’s plausible for a pilot to identify a person on the ground and track her down? Wow, where is your logic. Furthermore, don’t you think someone went out of their way to force this relationship into the story line. The movie could have been fine without any love story and certainly one that involved a white woman.

  9. This is appalling! No question, I will support Black Americans in other ways. I truly feel that Black men should have refused to participate in this twisted film of lies. If the movie doesn’t tell the truth, WHY would I want to watch it. George Lucas, YOU’RE DONE!!!

    1. Again, George Lucas was the producer. Look up the three (yes three) black men who wrote and directed the film. To what “lies” are you referring?

  10. Go support the film just because. I agree African-American women should have had a presence. If in NYC go see the Off-Broadway play ” Black Angels Over Tuskegee” written by Layon Gray. Its been running for 2 years, and stars Lamman Rucker. I hear its going to Broadway. They talk all about the women, the families they left behind etc.. truly a character driven work of art. Its by far a better story of the Airmen, I have seen it 4 times. Red Tails is action, Black Angels is the true story. But support both if possible.

  11. “This article pissed me off. Damn, can our sistas let these brothers shine ONE TIME without tearing the film down?! DAMN! These men were heroes. Where the fuck was this outrage when we were being depicted as thieves, liars, deadbeats, criminals, etc in so many other films? Especially the Tyler Perry films that they love so much. They’ll flock to see themselves in subservient roles in movies like The Help, but won’t come s

    1. but the problem is this article isn’t about Tyler Perry, it’s about Red Tails. If you want to rant about tyler perry start your own blog and do as you please. By the way, if you paid attention and took some time to UNDERSTAND my POV you’d know that I love the Tuskegee airmen and I love Black men, but this movie was messed up and inaccurate. If you don’t agree with that, that’s fine. But, don’t put words in my mouth and don’t assume things that were never even referenced in my article.

      1. and btw there were lots of inaccuracies/inconsistencies in the movie…lack of black women aside…it just wasn’t cutting it in my opinion. Tuskegee airmen deserve better. I recommend the 1995 HBO version.

    2. First of all, I refused to see Perry’s Color Girls film and anything else he produces as he is a lousy writer and director. Second, the blogger did not tear down black men rather the representation of white women and the absence of black women. You should work on your reading comprehension skills.

  12. If you know your history, the Russians had a handful of female squadrons with female fighter pilots and the British had a couple of women flying auxiliary transport missions.) So, my question is, how many WHITE WOMEN are in the movie?

    1. Thank you ProudChocolategirl for your insightful article, and your comments. You are ABSOLUTELY correct in your assessment of this movie, and it’s racist need to eliminate Black women. As to the men adding their negative comments to your blog, please ignore them and do not let them influence you in anyway. Their hatred of your article is further proof of the hatred that exists so widely in the Black community towards us, from our own.

      However, I must say that in one sense I’m glad Black women were left out of this movie. Although, yes, it was a further racist attempt to portray White women as loving and beautiful, and not Black women, at the same time if Black men want to be propaganda pieces for the U.S. war machine,let them do so. I do not want to represent imperialistic military propaganda in anyway.

      Also, to all the Black men (and some Black women) cheering this movie, I hope you know that it is preparing you mentally for the upcoming wars the that you will soon be drafted into. The President already has troops in Uganda and parts of central Africa, and the sabres are rattling against Iran too. So I hope you’re just as happy cheering on “the great white way” when you’re forced into war soon.

      And finally, by the way, for all of the Black men who hate Black women enough to come on and insult Black women voicing legitimate concerns over this movie, also know that the U.S. is heavily invested in going to war in African nations now – so for those drafted into the military the women you’ll be surrounded by overseas WILL BE BLACK. I’m sure that really scares most of you! and will send you AWOL to Canada!

      Love you proudchocolate girl, stay proud, bump the haters.

      1. why does it have to come to the black men hating one a sista for. besides that I can understand the argument here about the movie. but look at the rest of the movies based on this time in history. they have all been chopped and messed with. If that wasn’t true then i would be angry right along with you. We are not bashing her she just refuses to see the whole picture. Its a major movie about a major topic. with out some brother or sister acting a clown or being a maid. they speak proper and represent black men from that era correctly. lets support the movie so more can be made by more people of color, then there will be a variety of films to choose from instead of all of us arguing over one

    1. thanks for the link…so what I got from the clip was…interesting, but I still think what I said in my blog. Messed up to say the least. They could have even kept the interracial romance in, but to leave Black women out completely …beyond sick to me.

      1. Oh I completely agree with you PCG…for them to essentially say that in this film, “white women” represent progress and liberation and by default “black women” were backwards and non-factors was very telling and in some ways, supports your view point

      2. and btw I’ve said this multiple times, but in that interview w/ Terrence Howard and that other guy (oyelowo) talked about how accepting italian people were, I already said that my great uncle was asked if he had tails by german/italian women and some were called monkies…so I’m not sure where Terrence Howard is getting his one sided POV from

    2. Call to my sistern! Please let out your emotions and then fill yourselves back up with “light.” This thing we are passing through is spiritual warfare. Lets stand firm atop the tree and look down at the enemy playing his move on us. Let’s not damage our beauty by his making this move. Let’s strategize and be calm so when he strikes we may move so he destroys or hurts himself. They are trying to make us like her. They want us feeling unprotected and unloved – to yield. He’s been pulling that moved from day one. We are in a psychological warfare manevuer. We are getting a taste of what our ancestral mothers endured. They want us feeling invisible, unloved, unappreciated and unprotected. How did our mothers survive this type of treatment? He is using the Law of Attraction against us. In this world such Law is real. Everything is pulled towards what is beautiful – visual and behavioral with regard to man’s nature. Someone is purposefully hurting us so we screech, twist up to appear agitated and ugly. Lower man is visual and sees this and runs in the opposite direction. Lower carnal man is who we’re dealing with here. The man of our ancestral mothers is being reborn to us through our babies but he too will suffer the programming so you must play out your strategy to keep him with us. There’s a new weak version of him being manufactured. He has been school in the art of cognitive dissonance. He feels nothing for you but only for his carnal desires. Not all but many have accepted this program because it rewards him with the illusion that he is safe. You are the vessels holding the memories of tradition for which you pass along to the next generations but your wisdom is in direct opposition to a new agenda. You are not wrong for the pain and disheartedness you are feeling. But see this battle we are in and lets work it with the elegance our foremother shown us how to bare. Hold on to your love cause it is hella mighty. But y’all already know that. A Brown woman’s love is deep. But you already know that. Somebody don’t want your love to continue. Sat down ladies and let’s play this game of chess. We are here not only for carnal reasons. I know you miss him but holy duty calls. Lets be quiet. You know that kind a quiet mother, mama, madea showed when she knew what was up! Hold your beauty up, chin up, keep it together ladies. You continue to be fly when I see you walking down the street. Have you together like you do it. Why us? In this case, why not us? Shine cause you’re worth is not on the level of these lower beings. Not everyone can have audience with the Queen. We know. And the ancestors know. Teach truth at home to the babies. If one can brainwash that mind is available to us so so can we. Thank you for your article and the spirit for which it was written. Organization IGOTCHU.

      1. This was beautiful Maria, thank you so much. But we have a helluva fight on our hand. We can win, but it will be hard.

    1. Oh thats easy Howard just like Bellafonte, Quincy, Glover don’y mind sleeping with the discarded children of their historical enemies. They dont mind sharing their resources outside of the black community.

    1. did u see Red Tails? Why push a movie as a Black film and there’s no Black women…why push a major hollywood production that’s supposed to be historical on BP and there’s no Black women at all… absolutely ridiculous…

    2. I saw this piece of trash wherein 2 negro men were fighting over some unknown white actress. Spike Lee still needs his ass kicked for that but like most Negro men, he is obsessed with white women.

  13. I will never see this or any other film that casts a non black woman as the love interest of black male actors. This unknown white woman’s career will take off as a result of this exposure while black actresses sit idly by. Spike Lee also placed a white woman as the love interest in his joke, Miracle on St. Ann. In fact, in Lee’s movie 2 Negro men fought over this white woman. So there, it’s not simply white hollywood but Negro male filmmakers and celebrity actors who promote this insane image. Boycott this BS.

  14. A white group of soldiers could be stranded in the African desert but there is no way a film director would allow any the characters to fall in love with an African woman. The white male characters would be seen reflecting on their white lovers and gazing at their photos but there would never be a relationship with a black woman on screen.

    1. I wouldn’t even care if they kept in the romance between the italian woman and the Black airmen, if they had AT LEAST put in a reference to some Black women at some point. I mean come on now…you can’t even have scene where man looks at a picture of a Black woman…that’s ridiculous.

      After all that Black women did to support these airmen, women like maycie herrington and lena horne…you’ve gotta be kidding me.

  15. The film sucks and I bet that most of the black male cast are married to or involved with white and other women. Today’s generation of black males are lost and we should be fleeing from them.

  16. I have to say that I enjoyed the film and yes, I am a Black woman. Just because I don’t agree with the majority of the comments here doesn’t mean I’m part of the problem.

    I don’t have a problem that there were no Black women, it was set in Italy. Now if it had a scene in the US that showed them with their families then that’s different. Let the brothers have their light and shine. Damn, we always have to rip them down. I am glad that I went and saw World history.

    Like the brother in this thread said – their is a time to let Black men have their moment. This is one of them. No, it wasn’t the best film in the world but damn, what action movie has poignant scenes in them?

    1. wow…who is ripping down Black men? Where in my blog did I ever speak against Black men? I think you need read more carefully. But if you like it, you like it. I respect that and that’s your right. Never said people couldn’t see it or weren’t entitled to enjoy the movie. I didn’t enjoy it and expressed my opinion on it and no one can tell me I can’t do that. Blessings. :)

    2. i totally agree…

      This film was about WAR OVER SEAS. Yes there were a couple of SMALL scenes that showed us an interracial relationship but those scences were also a reflection of what SOME soldiers experienced while OVER SEAS… do i think Lucas could have shown us soliders receiving letters and care packages from their wives, mothers and sisters? YES

      But the same could have been done for fathers, cousins, brothers, friends, etc.

      doing so would have been a distraction..

      This story is so big, too big to be crammed into two hours and five minutes. I am sure there are many elements of the lives of Airmen that we didn’t see in the film.

      Lucas’ goal was to get the part of story out there that shows viewers what focus, dedication, and success the Tuskegee Airmen had dispute their superiors’ opinion of the level of competency.

      Hence the many scenes where white me took a stab at the Squadron’s qualifications once they found out they were flying with “colored” pilots.

      Did some of thier drive come from the support of family? YES. But what about those who had no family or no support system at home? The majority of their support system was each other and that bond was depicted very well.

      The focus of the film was war, World War and Race War not love…

      1. white american soldiers have been stationed overseas for a much longer history than Black soldiers in the u.s. and only very rarely do they show them in relationships with any other than white women. white women are the love interest 90% of the time, even if white soldiers are stationed in timbuktu in the movie. on the other hand, every movie with black men of worth (non criminals, non stereotypes) they are cast with non-Black women. I’m sorry that you cannot understand that (even though i’m sure you can, but could care less because gee, it’s only Black communities being torn apart, and the idea of white beauty benefitting).

        however if black men want to see this movie as progress as they absorb war propaganda and lose their souls to imperialism, that’s their problem.

  17. Tyler Perry ain’t giving new black actresses a shot neither….Besides they truth of the matter is black actresses suck.

  18. Linda Davis…Flee. Niggas won’t miss you. As a matter of fact thank you Jesus. Even Jesus had a white woman. Freakin statistic. You don’t here black men complaining about not finding a mate…so screw all you angry hefers.

    1. Wow! Really? Is your mother and/or sisters black? Did you not come from a black womb? Maybe you’re wife. Your comment was unwarranted and disrespectful. Shame on you!! Are you still a slave?

    2. I assume you are a man of African heritage? Your written words are truely hateful. Why? Why do you hate the black woman so? Please keep your nastiness to yourself. Wishing you peace and contentment.

  19. As a Black Man, I read these comments and wholeheartedly agree with the blogger. One of the tactics that has constantly been employed over the years is the destabilisation of the Black Family. Whether subliminally or overtly, Black Love is seen as ‘less than’ that of others. Despite this, our Love and the importance of the role of our Women in our lives has remained constant.
    This, and several other films are part of the erosion of our traditional values (which were stronger in the time that this film was set).
    Watch it if you wish, but I feel the Sister has some valid points which I have yet to see effectively countered.
    The Men ARE getting their shine, but those same Men LOVED their Black significant others and we COULD have had that acknowledged.

    1. thank you for your comment and you are correct the Black Family has never been respected, slavery is a prime example of that. After all the enslavers obviously felt it was acceptable to tear families apart for profit. That tells you how they felt about the Black Family. During Jim Crow/Reconstruction white men regularly had forced sexual relationships with MARRIED Black women against their wills because they had no respect for Black men and sometimes white women did the same (see story of Ruby McCollum/ Willie McGee) That mindset still exist today.

    2. Thanks Rich cuz I dont feel like tearing apart all these ignore ants ahistorical arguments. Some people need some John Henrik Clarke, Amos Wilson, Marimba Ani, Cress Welsing, Sara Suten Seti and Mwalimu Baruti in their lives.

  20. There were five Haitian Tuskegee Airmen so this is also our history as well. I want to weigh-in. You are right, Virtually ALL the Tuskegee Airmen had black wives and the movie should have included black military wives. Hollywood has problems making all black or all latino movies, they admit it. Hollywood contines to distort blacks, latinos in movies and this will only change when we start owning more and more film companies, etc.

      1. Proudchocolategirl, I think your comments are right on! And I think the exclusion of Black women from this movie is an insult. I have not yet seen it, and don’t know if I will. But I know it is even more insulting if they have the love interest of a White woman featured in the film. For all of these people who took offense to what you said, or who just couldn’t “get it” I say their views are extremely myopic and they are extremely desperate to accept anything that will make them feel good. You can’t find a war fim that does not have White women in it and or that does not deal in some way with the love that White women showed their soldiers. You keep preaching truth to power and never be afraid to speak on that! I too had Blck men in my family who fought in WWII. But I don’t think Hollywood would want to tell their truth. They didn’t feel proud that they had been in that war. They never spoke about it until much later in their lives, until the end of their lives. One told me how in NJ German prisoners of war were allowed into places that they were not. He told me Florida was a hell hole for him. Another told me that after fighting in WWII he was not able to get job on the police force in Mass because he was Black.

      2. wow thanks for your comment. You’re right Hollywood wouldn’t want to tell their stories. I think what happened to the Black WWII vets in your family, happened to many Bm WWII vets, but people wouldn’t want that in Hollywood.

  21. I appreciate the outcry here and in the attached Blog. Moreover, I agree that a Black man-woman scene could have reached deeper into the souls of people had it been included, but my concern is the riff that exist between us already, and where further divide will take us. This oversight by the producers and directors of RED TAILS and fallout such as this will undoubtedly serve as a lesson for future historic documentaries, movies books and etc. So ladies let us have this one: labeled error, and let’s move on. A Black female with a Ph.D. following her name questioned whether Jesus Christ was a man. There are some things that we should be respected for as men, without that he/she reference. There is plenty of respect to go around. Please let’s live and let live, and love and let love! Otherwise, we can forget our culture as we once knew it. I love and respect you Black women, but I need mine too: respect that is.

    1. This ‘OVRSIGHT”by the producers and directors of RED TAILS and fallout such as this will undoubtedly serve as a lesson for future historic documentaries, movies books……

      Ur post is a good one.. Only what makes us think it was just a “Simple, Innocent Oversight?” This ain’t the first Black Movie ever made amd the maker of movies know our issues. And a potrayal of the issues can be used to exaserbate, agitate or hel bring some understanding to it. Folk bringtheir own ignorances, prejudices and agendas to all that they do.

      This ISSUE had to come up where during the filming! As a Man I don’tthink the discussion takes anything from the Movie..Movie..Movie…Movie…Movie… It aint a History Class……….

  22. I have to agree with a comment made by magistersthinktank…. This film was about WAR OVER SEAS. Yes there were a couple of SMALL scenes that showed us an interracial relationship but those scences were also a reflection of what SOME soldiers experienced while OVER SEAS… do i think Lucas could have shown us soliders receiving letters and care packages from their wives, mothers and sisters? YES

    But the same could have been done for fathers, cousins, brothers, friends, etc.

    doing so would have been a distraction..

    This story is so big, too big to be crammed into two hours and five minutes. I am sure there are many elements of the lives of Airmen that we didn’t see in the film.

    Lucas’ goal was to get the part of story out there that shows viewers what focus, dedication, and success the Tuskegee Airmen had dispute their superiors’ opinion of the level of competency.

    Hence the many scenes where white me took a stab at the Squadron’s qualifications once they found out they were flying with “colored” pilots.

    Did some of thier drive come from the support of family? YES. But what about those who had no family or no support system at home? The majority of their support system was each other and that bond was depicted very well.

    The focus of the film was war, World War and Race War not love…

  23. As a Black female who was raised in the military, served in the military myself and married a man who was also military before retiring, your points are valid. HOWEVER can we celebrate and appreciate that the movie was made?!?! Yes, Black women were overlooked but Black paratroopers (Triple Nickel ~ 555) weren’t mentioned either. Instead of discouraging Blacks from going to go see this movie, why not encourage them?!?! Hollywood being the cash cow that it is than can open theaters screens so that more Black based stories and movies can do made.

  24. Honestly I had no complaints about about this film
    but I did find myself asking why havent they even
    spoken about their wives/ladies they have back
    home…Even during my commentary with my friend
    (when i shouldnt have been talking during the movie
    lol) I said, I felt like the romance was gratuitous.

    Nice perspective…its interesting how anytime a
    black woman has something to say about the
    way SHE is portrayed, it is looked at as bitter or
    angry. But when other races do it, people look at
    it as a woman simply wanting equal gender rights.

    Thank you for standing up for people that look like
    me…its rare that people do that these days, especially
    on the internet.

    1. Your name reflects your politics and you would have no issue with the movie. As you are eclectic. Most other groups are dogmatic about their culture, worldview and nationalism despite assertions to the contrary. We have a rich culture and donot need to take the best aspects of different culture. Amos Wilson the greatest psychologist that ever lived said “power is a chamileon. It takes on the texture of its environmment.” Powerless people cant afford to try to be too objective. We have to have a healthy degree of biasedness and subjectivity.

  25. Damn seems like there is no pleasing people. I understand where you are coming from but the movie was about the men at war not their lives at home explicitly. We just can’t appreciate the film for at least not having any bad images of black women? I figured someone would write an article about this anyway, I’m not really surprised. As a people we can’t accept when someone makes an effort to do something good for our people’s image? But alas, I agree that there should have been some images of black women but that is a another movie in itself. No way to fit all of that into one movie without it being 3 hours long or a trilogy or something.

    1. How Can It Be A Small Issue When Everyone Sees n Talks About …….. No Matter If U Thought It Was O.k. Or Not! Race Is Still A BIG Issue In America! That’s Why It’s So Noticeable in All Forms.

      When Ur stopped By ThePolice, “QAre U Just A Regular O American or, Do U Instantly Understand That U Iz A Black Amercan??? jus askin….

  26. I appreciate the fact that Red Tails is an unfortunate rarity that stars black men and pays tribute to an invaluable facet of our history. However, why in the WORLD is the role of black women erased from this film (which otherwise would have made it historically accurate), and why is the love interest white? I love all people, but I’m seriously struggling over going to support this film. I understand this film focuses on the war, but one of the taglines from the commercial preview is “We count our victories by the number of husbands we return to their wives”. Black ones. Sigh…

  27. I found this article very helpful. Thank you. It’s too easy to fall into the trap of naive celebration over films that are supposed to bring up any sort of taboo issues. Reading this blog reminds me how I’d be lost without courageous writers who are determined that truth is the only real power. Write on.

  28. Well since they were in Italy for a good portion of the movie, that would explain the lack of black women. Do you hear white people getting offended when in schools they only blame Europeans for slavery, and not go into detail about how Africans captured others to trade off to the “white man”,no! Playing the blame game, and feeling discredited all the time is an individuals problem. If you can make a better movie do it!

    1. You certainly dont know what you are talking about dunce. You are speaking outside the parameters of historical context. First I ask you what group of people did not have their traitors? So the jewish secret police who betrayed their jewish white kin were responsible for the holocaust? We are not fooled by this argument you purport which is an expiedient political argument used to diminish the culpability of european barberism and their continued perpetuation of the biggest most tragic crime within the annals of human history. Slave is a slavis word. Europeans mastered oppression on them selves before they exported their nefarious agenda and institution of homosexual violence to the wold. The motivations, methods and results of Afrikan servitude are markedly different than chattel enslavement and their lil arab cousins form of genocide commited against Afrikan people. Afrikans were manipulated, tricked and forced into participating in their own genocide. Those few traitors are the exception not the rule and even they had no clue of the diabolical nature of the yurugu pale fox as the dogon call you beings!

  29. First of all Proud Chocolate girl it amazes m how your you insecurity is the exception and no the standard. If you were concerned about African American Images you would rale against shoes like Girlfriends, Basketball Wives, Love and Hip Hop. This is a magnificent film that IS ACCURATE it is portray of the SOLDIERS. So you can try and down grade it with you BItter militant and hollow responses but this is a classic wither you and your sista soliders hens like it or not and if you don’t feel free to contact by email. the world doesn’t revolve around you or those who think like you. I choose to date outside my race due to women such as yourself. LESS DRAMA!

    1. kerry, your comment reeks of stupidity. men like you love to talk about how an articlelie this has led you to date outside the black race, but of course the fact that white women had you lynched by their men daily for ovr 400 years never influences your decision not to date/marry them. what a loser you are.

  30. Interesting how this very well thought out blog turned into black women and black men bashing each other once again. SMH….rarely can conversations like these be had without someone being insulting and degrading to a person. Maybe progress could be made if the conversations stuck to the issues…and not the ppl. Finger pointing how todays black man does this…todays black woman does that. And none of that has ANYTHING to do with the article.

    1. Totally agree with Doc! I really wish we would encourage each other more often than not! Agree to disagree. We are so self-absorbed that we disregard how our words affect each other. Some aren’t as strong as others and will take ones opinion and run all over the place with it! The bloggers opinion is “HER” opinion. Some I agree with and some I don’t! But I refuse to try to degrade her or anyone else’s thought process. Despite how we think the movie should’ve been portrayed or written, I say “Support Our Heroes”! Any comments made towards hurting and downgrading one another should be left off this thread! If any of the surviving Airmen or their wives read some of these comments, they would probably be embarrassed…as a black woman…I am! It’s time to elevate people. It’s way overdue. I pray peaceful atertness in your lives.

  31. Some Black Women need to relax. My grandfather had an affair in WW2 and had a son with a white italian women he found us in 2004.

    1. people are confusing the issue with this movie it’s NOT the interracial relationship, its not who the actors date…it’s the hypocrisy, the misrepresentation and erasure of Black women that is the issue. Doesn’t matter how many ww a bm may have slept with bottom line is you don’t see movies w/ white soldiers/servicement ignoring the contribution of the women who supported them, even if they slept with a dozen samoan, filipino women, you will not see a movie that excludes white women entirely. To discount Black women’s contribution and erase their place in history is intolerable and hypocritical to me. period

  32. I love your insight. For the people who are angry, maybe they should re-read your posting over until they fully understand the dialogue. It seems as though there is a disparity in what is stated and what they have inferred and what they are implying. When they stated that “a mind in a terrible thing to waste”, they hit the nail on the head with that one.

    As far as black men running to non black women, you want to do it any way. Women expressing their views, thoughts, and opinions should not have any bearings on you being with a black woman. Your mothers are black, with strong wills and strong opinions. Your mothers help to shape who you are. Not women of other races.

    Brothers you need to wake up. Non black women are not interested in you unless your bank account is like that. But, when you were in college struggling to pass your classes, it was black women there supporting you through school. When you did not have money to eat or money to was your clothes, it was black women there supporting you. The ultimate slap in the face is when you make it big, you let it be known that you prefer a non black woman because black women are smart, bold, beautiful and highly opinionated. Then the sad part about all of that is the non black women stay with you for years, drop a couple of children out and take your behinds to the ringer for all you are worth. So who are the real gold diggers?

    PCG, keep doing what you are doing. We need more educated black women out here telling our real truth. We need to educate our children with the real truth. It is evident that others will not. Keep on keeping on.

    I will continue to read and support your commentary.

  33. I’m sorry but did black women fly with the Tuskegee airmen? This is non sense for once can we support a positive image of our men on screen without making about us? DAMN

      1. I didn’t miss the message but does everything have to be about US? We can’t be this selfish? Get over yourself

      1. OMG GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!
        This is a movie about how “OUR BROTHERS” CHANGED HISTORY AND THE WAY WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE SEEN., It’s a movie made to instill pride in our heritage. If you wanna watch a movie about “BLACK LOVE “rent Love & BasketBall, Love Jones, Jasons’Lyric, Poetic Justice….etc

        BTW: I AM A BLACK WOMAN

      2. do not tell me what to “get over,” on my blog please. i’m not here threatening or harassing anyone, i have said nothing negative about Black men or Black women. you came here read MY OPINION and that’s that. I don’t need to get over anything and you telling me to get over something, won’t make me “get over it,” any quicker.

    1. If that’s the case then what Italian women flew planes with the Tuskegee airman? So why include the love story if it wasn’t going to be a fair balance of loving relationships all around. Personally I think they should have left the love story out and focus on the BLACK HEROS

      1. a lot of people thought the romance didn’t even fit into what little bit of plot they had in the film, but for some reason people can tolerate a superfluous romance, but its so “taxing,” to put in a scene of a Black airmen holding up a picture of a Black wife (that you can actually see that she’s Black, not just a blurred thing out of shot) and how she matters to him…that’s THAT difficult to fathom? If anything it would have given the characters more depth…

  34. Maybe black women will evolve to asexual reproduction if they want black babies…..because black men are done.
    However, they should’ve showed how some of the soldiers wives where supporting their men and cheating on them back home with Rufus. BBB

    1. Laughing out loud. Stop making assumptions! There you go stating negative things about their wives. First and foremost, PCG, did not say anything negative about black men. She stated that the producer should have shown the support that the airmen received from their loved ones at home. Basically, from their black wives and not portray a love affair with a white/Italian woman. Just for the record, some men and some women did remain loyal to each other. Contrary to popular belief.

      Don’t get it twisted. It’s some of you that we will pay them to take off our hands. Some of you are not worth the time, the energy or the investment. It’s not all but it is a few.

  35. U CANT BE SERIOUS, PEOPLE LIKE U ARE SO CUT THROAT, THAT IS Y WE AS PEOPLE DON’T ALONE, YOU ARE A VERY NEGATIVE PERSON, YOU NEED TO BE ASHAME OF YOUR SELF, I AM SURE BLACK WOMEN WASN’T FLYING YET, LET THE AIRMEN HAVE THEIR TIME, THEIR MOMENT, ON THE SCREEN!! STOP HATEN!!

  36. SERIOUSLY BLACK WOMEN WERE NOT CREDIT TO FIGHT OR FLY AND CERTAINLY WHITE HOLLYWOOD TOLD G.L THEY DID NOT WANT TO MAKE THIS MOVIE AND GO LOOK UP THE “BIOGRAPHY OF BESSIE COLEMAN WHOM HAD TA GO ALL THE WAY TO FRANCE TO GET HER PILOT LICENSED 1989 BECAUSE WHITE AMERICA WAS VERY PREJUDICES TOWARDS BLACK WOMEN FOR SERVICE THERE U ALL HAVE IT
    HER PICTURE AND STORY WAS HAND DOWN TO ME SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THIS “FACT #1. SISTER’S HAD NO RESPECT AND YES THEY WERE THERE ONLY TO LIVE ON BASE’S AND SERVE AS COOKS & MAIDS CLEANING SERVICES ONLY OKAY! SO PLEASE YOU ALL STOP CRYING AND CONTINUE TO LEARN ABOUT OUR HISTORY BECAUSE I SEE THE YOUNG HAS A LONG WAY TO UNDERSTAND AMERICA WHITE GERMAN EUROPEAN AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS, HOW THEY OPERATES THEIR SYSTEMS! WHICH IS IN ITS LAST DAYS
    PEACE & LOVE STOP BY “THE KNOWLEDGE WALL ON FB THERE’S IS ABOUT 6000 OF BLACK HISTORY AND POLITICAL KNOWLEDGE YOU ALL NEEDS TO KNOW & UNDERSTAND!

  37. We are burning a whole lot of energy about a movie that was squeezed out by Hollywood….remember people, Hollywood.

    1. Then you should see the importance of showing that black women are more than just a mammie, a cleaning lady or a cook. We have more to offer than that. But, the truth of the matter is, we were not portrayed at all. That should be alarming.

  38. 1. Society doesn’t want to see women in combat position.
    2. In 1940 women weren’t flying planes.
    3. What supportive female role was present in the movie?
    4. Stop trippin’.
    5. Stop looking at 1940’s ish, with 2012 eyes.
    6. Can we not have agendas in every blog? It sucks

    1. That is not the message behind PCG words. She said that black women should have been portrayed as a loving wife and mother back home in support of their husbands. The support for their men wasn’t really presented in the casting.

    2. Bessie Coleman received her FAI license to fly June 15, 1921 making her the first black woman to receive a license from the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI). She had to go to France to get it.

      Please see the following website for more on the history of black women and men in aviation http://www.blackhistoryinaviation.com/

  39. Sometimes our race has such an insatible quest for “justice” and equality that we overlook what’s important. If there was one black woman in this film we’d be complaining that there wasn’t two. Or, that her skin was too dark s or too light, or that she was too ugly or too fat. Seriously, people. Sometimes we pick the wrong battles without really comprehending the weight of pyrrhic victories.
    Yes, we can scutinize this movie for its historical inacturacies as well as every single movie that’s been produced based on historical references; be they black or white. I think that we should support the efforts of producers like Lucas, even in his inability to get the black woman on the big screen, mainly because, in doing so, it sends a message to other Hollywood producers that we are grateful for what he and others like him are trying to accomplish. That being said, we should also take advantage of what was not said/shown during the movie; educating ourselves and our children on how things really were during that time.
    Sometimes our race can not see the forrest for the trees. It is good that you brought this to our attention but it would be deflating if we were to boycott this movie. We are already seen as an angry race and such actions would fuel that inflamming stereotype.
    Please support such movies as this and then go home and tell your kids the truth. If you don’t know the truth then “shame on you”.

    1. Many people plan to see the movie, including myself. PCG has stated her opinion. That is exactly what it is. Her opinion! Her opinion has created some rich dialogue. For one, we as black men and black women need to learn to communicate with each other without such harshness. We can not correct problems or future challenges without dialogue and conversing about what we hold to be important or what warrants conversation.

      Many people, took the stated context to another level, myself included. We as a black adults can not discuss things with a sense of decorum and civility we play into their hands. Yes, the movie was a great gesture.

      But, we as black women are oftentimes overlooked in important portions of society. Black women help to shape this country just like black men. No one is taking anything away from those black men. But, the fact of the matter, many of them did have strong black women at home supporting them.

      1. I think there should be a movie showing all the nationalities being at home during war times, with all the emotions of being a new mother, instead of a teenager. A child growing up in the early years of his or her life without a parent being involved. To make movies shorter, what scenes do they cut, what dialogue would they take out, what angry words of despair and hope are not shown. Yes, the movie is about the War, but if you don’t have support at home, it’s like your love ones are fighting the war with you, but not. Having said that, Black women have been proud, strong, resistance to leave her family just for any black solder, of course, if he get her pregnant, she has no choice. I feel very angry toward the drunk solders, on their last month or night, getting some woman pregnant so he has a emotional bond with the baby while he’s gone. In my opinion, how is the solder even capable of
        unwinding from a violent tour of duty to being a child rearing parent of a child that doesn’t even know him. If the solder came back and then, reunited with the woman that supported him, THEN a magical moment could begin. Thank your for allowing me to share my thoughts. This was an excellent topic to discuss.

    2. no one is talking about boycotting…where are people getting this boycotting nonsense from…I’m talking about why I did not like the movie as an individual as are other Black women…boycotting what?… and why should we have to be grateful to George Lucas…for doing what giving us a story we got 20 years ago but better! giving us a story we could have gotten a better understanding of from a book that wasn’t as biased as this movie…

    1. there were black women in the war…try researching a bit more. When you market a film as a Black film to Black PEOPLE and there’s not Black women, but a superfluous romance is able to fit in between a non-bw/black airmen that’s questionable to me. Last I checked Black WOMEN were part of Black people and Black women helped contribute to the race relations during the war as well.

  40. As we say…”She Ain’t Lied nair Time! Have Wriiten Very Similar Responses Even Having Never Seen The Movie. There Is Nothing Put On The Big Screen Or TV That’s Just For Ur And My Education and Entertainment! It May Be ENTERTANING, But It’s Always Deeper. And She’s Right! In These Movies Either The Man Is Absent, TheWoman Is Absent or, We’re There in Very Nasty, Ugly Ways!

    And When Holly-Weird Supposedly Would Not finance This Movie, Did He Go To Oprah – Tyler – Danny – Denzell – Shaq – Jordan – Magic – 5 Cents – Puff – Snoop – jamie FXX – Venus or Serena – Dick Gregory – Min Farrakhan – Sammie Jackson – Sharpton – Sammie Jackson – Cornell – Tavis – Alice Wlker – Halle – or Any Of The Other RICH Entertainers n Sports Figures …… And Say, I Need Ur Help. Here’s the script, I’m Makin a Movie Bout Ur Folks n I’ve Run Into A WALL???

    And About Supporting The Movie To Support The Black Actors…… I Say That It Out Folks Who’ve “Made It(?), Are Not Supporting Their People In Return ……. Well That’s anuth discussion To had……

    And LUCAS SHOWINGuP wIT a bLACK wOMAN oN hIS Arm Don’t Validate Him For Me. Who Is LUCAS Anyway and What Is His Black Folk Connection Prior To This? How Many Of Us Work At His LUCAS Production Facility In Marin and San Francisco? Is He Helping Those Who Actually Want To Work In The Industry and Make Movies?

    Yes A Certain Thanks And Appreciation Is Due HIM For Making The Movie, But Let’s Not Go Crazy, Acting As If There’s Never Bfo Been A Movie Wit An All Black Cast! And Remember…..It’s A Movie……It’s A Movie……It’s A Movie……It’s A Movie……It’s A Movie……It’s A Movie!!…… Now Go Get A Book n Read n Research For USelf These Men and Women Stories n See How Close The Movie Is………

  41. I swear.. WE are our own worst enemy!!! The wives at home were not the focus of this movie. They mentioned a wife & kid at home, but did not show them. Would it have made you feel better if Lucas inserted a scene of a black wife at home worried? Seriously. That’s not this movie. They didn’t replace a black woman with a white/Italian woman… THEY WERE IN ITALY!!! My uncle met his Italian wife during the war. It happens. If you don’t want to see the movie, then don’t go see it. But this is adding fire where it isn’t needed. Signed, A Black Woman

    1. i said you can see the movie or not, but people seem to be upset for expressing an opinion (a valid opinion mind you) about the movie…who cares where your Uncle met his wife, my Great Uncle met his Black wife overseas…so what?

    2. I couldn’t agree more! I believe those who are voicing their concerns about the lack of Black women in this movie don’t understand the military way of life. It is not like going to a 9-5 everyday where you get to kiss the “hubby” when he comes home at night. This was a story about the first Black fighter squadron…not the first Black fighter squadron and their wives. I think we should be complaining about why none of our prominent “Black” actors, athletes and mega-millionaires didn’t help when it came to getting this story told. It took a White man and his 90+ millions to get it funded and distributed. That is the travesty in my eyes.

  42. Its is clear that soneone was sleeping during this history class… The audascity to say blk women are not included in this film is totally invalid. The story is told from the front lines of combat, and the men who flew into harms way.. I myself being a former navy fighter pilot, and being a strong black man, understood the equality issues that the Airmen had to endure. Now as for the role of blk women during that time… MANY sista’s (including my gradmother) supported the blk men in the war, and they as well doing their part by working in the ship yards(as my gradmother did) the aircraft factories, and many other places to support there blk men who was off fighting.. Many of these sistas knew that the INEQUALITY that their loves ones had to deal with was on a bigger scale. The wives, sisters, and mothers of the Airmen knew this, so did many other blk woman who saw blk men go to war.. What about the sistas who flew the planes to the front lines from the aircraft factories, wheather it was to the 399th squadron, to the white squadrons elsewhere… The role of blk women during the war played significantly in the music, the style, the very essence of why that brotha, had to return home… Yes history, does not put blk women on the same playing field as the men who fought the war, but if you DID your research, you will find the support role of blk women during war time (from American Rev-to present) and not only from the homefront but miles from the actual combat lines as well…

    To say “how come there are no sista’s in the movie”? It’s not about the sistas… Once again, its a story about equality on the front lines, and how it was overcame by sheer determination… By the way my great uncles are living Airmen themselves, and their wives, sisters supported them 500% because again they knew the INEQUALITY bs they had to deal with just to fight in the war…

    Your assumption of this wrong, and quite disrespectful..
    If you did your reseach, you would have found that blk women help the equality of the ranks much as the men who fought as well…

    1. Thank you Brother, it seems some of these women are in need of some education and therapy as well. As you mentioned, the movie is about the combat pilots and the sortees flown during WWII, this does not minimize the roles of AA women at home or abroad. All this pettiness and the “what about me” persona is divisive and ignorant. No wonder people think we are pieces of shyt. Damn can’t we just bask in the moment of these men STEPPING UP at a time when it was thought we weren’t capable of such but some of you want to negate all of this because Black Women weren’t involved. If you don’t like the movie FINE and if you want to write your own script and produce a movie with Black Women as heroes, you have my blessings and I will gladly attend.

      1. Again, idiots,if the movie was only about black male combat pilots and not women, then why put a white woman in it? Black men are idiots, and will do anything to kiss the flat asses of white women. NO white war hero movies ever show white men with black women and there are, and always have been, many black women in europe. plus, when THE ITALIAN ARMY WENT TO ETHIOPIA TO FIGHT, why don’t we see any movies about the italian men with the black ethiopian women??? Black men, accept that fact that you all are not very bright. And you hate Black women. Just say it straight out, and quit hiding behind your “kum-by-ya we are the world” bullsh*t. Cuz if it was the other way around, and every tv show, movie, music video had Black women with white men you all would have all kinds of sh*t to say.

    2. Thank you Mr. Lacy! It gets to me sometimes when “sistas” think it has to always be about them. This was the men’s story. We just lost Dr. Fulbright, one of the original Tuskegee Airman a couple of weeks ago here in Durham, NC and another on yesterday. I pay tribute to them and all they endured during a very turbulent time in our history!

    3. as always, someone misses the point. if this movie was just told from the front lines, the italian woman wouldn’t be in it either. because nobody was romancing anybody on the front line! also…again, as has been stated numerous times, every heroic/good guy movie made in the u.s. showcases women of the same race EXCEPT those made for Black people. You all arguing so hard against this blog article know this – it’s obvious to everyone. You’re just pretending to b obtuse to avoid owning up to the problem of this film. And by the way, the same was true for Hancock, and other movies. White leading men and white superheroes love white women, the few Black leading men and Black superheroes love everybody-but-Black-women.

      If you can’t see that as a problem, then you ARE part of the problem. Your hatred for Black women is obvious, and your brainwashing is complete.

  43. Interesting to hear those of u who talk about what LUCAS had mind when he made this movie. How The hell do U know what he had in Mind?!

    And what makes u think!…that this is gon break open the doors to HollyWeird for more Black Movies Actors n Actresses to get in?!

    Same thing was thought wit all the BlaXploitation films of the 70’s(Superfly, The Mack – Black Godfather- Truck Turner – Foxy Brown n Sheba Baby,c,etc…… N The Black Films of the 40’s wit Hattie MCdaniels, Dorothy Dandridge, HBelafonte-Paul Roberson, Oscar Michauex, Spencer Wms, Butterfly McQueen, Stormy Monday, etc., etc.,! This Ain’t a new ‘Phenom” folks. This Ain’t a new ‘Phenom” folks. This Ain’t a new ‘Phenom” folks.

    And as we on this blog talk bout the absence of Black Women, did he or not have Black Advisors onfn this film? If we think of it, they thought of it. And if there was time to show,mention, wink, breathe bout a relationship “THERE”. there was time also for the other. Even if it only shoed em huggin baby for what may have been the last good bye.

    But in a all fairness we need not blame others for failing to potray us correctly! We need to “OCCUPY” the Minds Of Our Own Leaders-Movie and Wealthy Folk (Cosby-Oprah-Spike-Singleton-Magic-Danny-Denzell-Jordan-Halle-Puffff-5Cents- Lateefah-Whoop-Tara-Wil n Jada-Prince-All our Members of the Music, Entertainment-Football, Basketball World,etc.,etc.,) To Encourage and…Find Out “WHY?” They’re not doing the LUCAS? We may find out it’s much deeeeeper than the money!

    Movies n TV are currently the “Greatest Influences and Teachn Tools On The Planet!” Maybe that’s why we’re responding so. tand we NEED mo PROPER TEACHING SCENARIOS …… THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET… Black Rich Actors, Movie Makers Get Bzzzz. And The word was “Now That We Had Tyler We wuz Over , didn’t Need HWEIRD No Mo!” What happened?

  44. I stumbled across your blog. I went to the premiere last night. I enjoyed it as an action movie that had some color. The relationship I thought was common thing for the men; I am glad to know that this was not the case. It’s unfortunate that black women did not have a voice; but I enjoyed seeing 10 positive brothers. Those fellas made me proud. I hear you loud and clear maybe one day our stories will be told right. But today I choose to celebrate 10 young black brothers getting an opportunity to shine in Hollywood. Those opportunities are so rare. I look forward to reading your posts and I welcome you to check out my pretty movement! :)

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  45. Honestly, who gives a f**k about their wives? The story is their accomplishments, not a family portrait. As usual, people have found a way to outraged over NOTHING.

  46. These arguments are pointless. I understand completely what you’re saying sister. I see it everyday on tv and in movies. It’s a sad fact that people are too brainwashed to realize what’s going on. The only thing we can do is try to inform others. What they do with it is on them.

  47. Many peoplin this blog are not trying to understand what is being said. Many whates try to reverse or invert reality to put Afrikan people on the defense. You are the masters of projection and reverse psychology. Negroes who dont understand this post are cowards who seek the approval of europeans. You are sycophants who seek to use imitation of your oppressors politics which is the highest form of flattery. You need a dose of Del Jones and Amos N Wilson and Khalid Muhammad. You wonder why our children are turning against us. They sense your abandonment and cowardice. They sniff your conformity and and subintegration for status and scraps, they hear your begging as the women have to champion as the vanguard our causes. Just remeber the double cross is always around the corner just ask saddam,ghadaffi, noriega. Those who straddle the fence will be hit with arrows from both sides. You are emasculated. Powerless people cant afford to be too objective. All other people are dogmatic about their worldview except us. Regardless of the ostensible appearance of inclusion and tolerance. Hollywood Boule has an unspoken agenda when it comes to our story. Hence the mummy and other movies ala eddie murphy perry and the rest of those chumps. The politics of interracial coupling and homosexuality is a eugenics agenda. Check francis welsing on you tube, when what your children watches begins to matter. Maafa 21.

  48. I’ve seen a countless number of war movies during my lifetime and I have never heard anyone ask “where were their women?” Unless the movie was a drama or a romance this issue is mute. Common sense dictates that their women were playing significant roles in said wars, whether they were black, white, Russian, etc. Again, as a race of people, we have the audacity to find fault in everything. If this was a movie called, “The Support of the Black Man” and there were no black women in it I would clearly see your point.

    1. Of Course. I don’t know why our people are like that. We aren’t happy unless we are bitching and crying over nothing. Instead of thanking the man for telling our story when even our OWN filmmakers are too busy making money on stupid shit like Madea, we complain about the fucking WIVES???? I have NEVER seen a war movie about the damned wives and I wouldn’t want to either.

    2. this movie was made years ago by HBO and it was much better AND unlike in this movie Black women existed in that film…it’s not difficult to put a Black woman in the film its really not. if you can put in a superfluous and awkward romance in there for 5 scenes, you can put in a shot of a Black woman.

  49. Amos Wilson said power is a chamilleon. It takes on the texture of its environment. So just as white power through the rap game has taken on a black texture as this movie has we are not blind and we SEE the insidious undercurrent meant to parasite off our sensibilities with out our detection. We donot suffer from historical amnesia and smell you miles out like a shark. We have to have a degree of healthy bias and subjectivity if we are to survive. Im not being polite take it or leave it.

  50. OMG GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!
    This is a movie about how “OUR BROTHERS” CHANGED HISTORY AND THE WAY WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE SEEN., It’s a movie made to instill pride in our heritage. If you wanna watch a movie about “BLACK LOVE “rent Love & BasketBall, Love Jones, Jasons’Lyric, Poetic Justice….etc

    1. a MOVIE…. a MOVIE about how “OUR BROTHERS” CHANGED HISTORY AND THE WAY WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE SEEN.

      Be honest…. other than their proving we could learn to fly, what in history really changed (facts not opinion) and why n how are we seen today as a people after all of our contribution to make America Great??

      1. @ Maalak,
        1st I do not walk around with blinders to the ways of the world nor am I ignorant about my history (I Know you didn’t say I was but I am just saying that I am not) There will always be ignorant thinkers and yes there will always be someone spouting white prapaganda hatred but to ask the question of WHAT HAS CHANGED makes me fear that you have bought into this same said propaganda or are you trying to turn this forum even further of topic than its already getting? We have gone from house n*** and feild N*** to politicians, lawyers,doctors and president. We no longer have to fear what others think, we no longer have to fear what will happen to us for speaking our minds. THAT’S WHAT HAS CHANGED and the actions of the men portrayed in this movie (real or fictional) had as much a part to play in that as any civil rights activist. Lets not get toooooo carried away

      1. @ PCG the fact that the Black women were ommitted from this film is the topic of this forum and even with the GET OVER IT comment I made yesterday I do respect your opinion and appologize if you took offense. I still stand by the comment however (again no offense intended) I just do not find it that BIG OF A DEAL… The movie was designed to be centered around the TAs not their families. and the percentage of historic accuracy portrayed in this movie may be debatable Should we have been included more?? I think the majority would say yess and rightly so But it wasn’t. MAKE NO MISTAKE as a BLACK WOMAN I do believe that OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY AND HISTORY ARE UNDER VALUED. I believe, there should be AN ABUNDANCE OF MOVIES made about the Matriarchs of our Prestigeous line but to date those movies have been very few and far between and while I will admit I haven’t taken time to read each comment to your blog, the few I have read made no out cry over that fact. Instead what I have been reading is tense hostilities amongst ourselves because we chose to disagree completely, and a title wave of concerning disrespect and borderline ignorance from some (NOT ALL ) of our men… All of this over a movie that has ALREADY BEEN MADE?????? Over honorable and courageous men portrayed by ACTORS that have ALREADY BEEN PAID??? You and those who share your opinion will never change the minds of the ones who don’t. BY the same token the ones who do not agree with you will never change your opinion and at the end of the day sister, IT MATTERS NOT because as I have said… THE MOVIE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE THE THE ACTORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID and the disagree-ers (it’s a word) will disagree and anyone wanting to see the movie will..

        Sincere Peace, Love and Blessings to you

      2. okay i respect your opinion but i do not agree with it, challenging the images that Hollywood puts out of Black women and Black men will open the door for future challenges to be made. so next time, we’ll have more of a say in how we’re portrayed. You say you agree black women’s contributions in history are under valued…so why not speak up and do something to change this instead of just submitting to the status quo?

      3. Smarterthanyou, you’re not very smart. I’ve neverheard any story about anyothe TA’s portraed in thst movie being with white women. At anytime. So i think you’re theone who’s brainwahsed. And AGAIN, for the umpteenth time, why isit that we never get to see black women being thelove interest/saved in movie with black men, but alwyas white trash women being saved and cared for by black men? but in white movies, they never save anybody but other white people. you are one sick ducky and blind to boot if you don’t notice how black men are always paired with white trash. and it IS an insult, because we know what we, a s black women and black men, went through. for the tuskegee airmen of that time (i say that time because i know there are some TA more contemporaray thsn the ones in the movie) to even look want to look at a white woman would have been something in and of itself.

        it’ds like this, black people. face it. black people obviously love to stay losing – always. both black men and black women. nly whites get to protect their whole race. only whites get to want white children. only whites get to marry other whites anf further the race. we blacks dont deserve any of this, if you base it off of themindsets of most of these people.

        in the end, black women FORGET Black men. they HATE you, and believe they are superior to you. forget them, just a they have forgotten you and move on. Black men of america are dead to men. they love white, so let them be white. let’s see if white me will let them join their communities as equals. let them go.

  51. Ofcourse you can quote us and check out my reply to the person that tried to slide in the comment about blacks being involved in our own enslavement as if it wouldnt have happened without us. What group of people had no traitors? Were white jews responsible for the holocaust because of the jewish secret polce who betrayed their own people?

  52. Yes mr or mizz smotta than us when you really ass about as smot as Freddo Corleone this is why you dont speak for us. The days of traitors and euroeans speaking for us is long over for some of us unless george lucas speaks for some of these need to grows under the stockholme syndrome.

    1. Okay I really couldn’t understand half of what you said because of the typos.. Were they deliberate to prove a point or did my OPINION upset you so badly that it caused you to miss type. If that be the case you should give NO ONE THE POWER OF CAUSING YOU TO FORGET HOW TO SPELL SECOND GRADE WORDS! First Question what exactly in THE HELL did I say to in anyway display myself as a traitor to my race??? Having a different opinion doesn’t make me a traitor any more that not knowing how to spell make you IGNORANT… LET’S NOT GET NASTY!!! Any comments I made were made ONLY FOR MYSELF But at At the risk of speaking for someone else I am Pretty sure that dirty insinuations and hostile comments amongst ourselves is not what was intended when this blog was created.

      1. guys lets keep it civil, people make spelling mistakes unless its just horribly illegible there’s no need to insult someone’s mistakes. focus on debating THE TOPIC not insulting people’s intelligence please.

  53. Well kudos to the author of this blog! I agree hands down and I am so proud that sistas are waking up and using their buying power. Whenever they rewrite history and we allow them and support this nonsense, it is a blow to the “black image”, an image that white society has controlled cause we let them. It’s funny though, the brotha that said that we should let these brothas have their moment, Que? Have their moment?? How? Where?? White run hollywood created a movie they deemed appropriate, a movie which was not a close enough depiction of truth, and that is considered”a moment” for these brothas?? Thats embarrassing to say the least, we do not need whites to make movies for us, to teach our history, to give us accolades to feel as if we are having “moments”, we can do that for ourselves. I am not supporting the film because there is more to this story, where is the mention of the thousands that were injected with syphilis?? And you darn straight!! They had black wives and that is important, that is important to the black image, shame on you for not seeing that as important, wow……..They should have their story told truthfully…. Its so sad to see black people so broken and desperate for white inclusion as to accept something like this…. and this is not the first and will not be the last…….. Some people deserve to be treated inferior, after all they think they are, so be it……

  54. #1 – IT’S A MOVIE. HISTORICAL FICTION.
    #2 – DON’T LIKE SUBJECT? – DON’T SEE IT!!
    #3 – WHITE MAN FINANCED IT NOT BLACK MEN. COMPLAIN TO WHO & WHY?
    #4 MAKE YOUR OWN MOVIE.
    Your analysis is brilliant. You are a great writer and very passionate. Majority of people don’t care, don’t read, don’t know history. Feel your pain and would love to help you channel all that beautiful energy into creation instead of anger. I am first black akupuncture physician in state of florida. Shaman in two traditions in Afrika. Kemetic priest and teacher of psycho-spiritual healing exercises.

  55. What I don’t think any of you who are complaining about the lack of Black women in this movie is this: 1. During WWII, although the men were married, they were confined to the Army base. 2. The United States was still very segregated and Black women were non-citizens. and 3. They were not an integral part of the story of what these men accomplished. They had the support of their wives, however the wives were NOT “in your face” women like women are today! They were content to support their husbands spiritually and encourage them emotionally with letters and care packages, something women today seriously lack. It takes a special breed of woman to be a military spouse and those wives had it! They didn’t need the limelight.

  56. Remember this movie has to be sold. some one has to pay to get it made as a investment. Most movie goers that watch be movies are other than black. so to get a film made that has other than themselves to look at for the whole move is hard to do. I believe the romance was a bone to throw in to get the movie made.
    but it still works for me I saw it twice did you. this is a step forward. So for you to try and shine and or complain about something that so many people worked hard to make happen. enjoy the film support it. So others can be made and the mistakes of this film can be corrected in others.

  57. This issue is pointless and petty. Where was the black sista outrage when the COLOR PURPLE depicted all the black men as pedophiles and womanizing wife beaters?

    1. First of all, the Color Purple showed ONE Black man in a negative way. However, there were SEVERAL Black men in the Color Purple that were good men – Lawrence Fishburne, the guy who played Harpo, some little boys, the African son who came back to meet mrs. seely,who was his mother, Shug’s father who was a a Baptist minister, the African men and boys shown in African villages, other Black men in the small town where Oprah’s character lived – all who were good, decent men, and were not shown negatively. Black men were shown in various ways, with various personalities, and in various forms of character development. There was not one single Black women in Red Tails, and if there had been, they probably would have made her all bad, instead of showing a full range of women, like for the men in Color Purple.

      Plus, the white people in the Color Purple were shown in a historically accurate way – that is as a bunch of racist, violent goons, like the one who beat up Oprah and sent her to jail, and the scaredy-cat white woman who kept the Black woman away from her own family for years and years.

      So to all the people crying foul about the Color Purple, please stop the lies. There were many Black men in that movie who were decent, and the Black women didn’t sleep with the very racists they were fighting against.

      Also, remember that the reality is that men do incredible violence to women everyday, including Black men. Please don’t forget that Oprah was raped by her own Black uncles starting at the very young age of 6 years old.

  58. Powers that be claim to be worried cause Blacks don’t support or go to seetheir own at the Movies. Does anyone out there have any financial stats on how much we spend on the Movies n Video?

  59. I can’t understand why some folk want to force their interpretation of a movie that someone else made. So basically screw your interpretation and use mine? The first thing I think about after reading this is that there were hardly any Black women in 1940’s Italy or Europe for that matter. One Black soldier finding a love interest in the city does not negate the fact that there were faithful wives and girlfriends back stateside for the Tuskegee Airmen.
    I’m not a director, producer or an actor but I’m guessing that trying to tie in a story line about women back home just probably didn’t fit right for what the director and producer were trying to accomplish, but that’s just my humble opinion. I’d like for you to ask your grandfather and uncles if they had verbal communication with their loved ones back home, or was it just letters.
    I think it’s a reach to say that the thought was to erase the Black women from the film all together.
    There have been plenty of war films who show one side of war and not the home front. That doesn’t mean that the soldier (s) who was most of the time white, didn’t have love interest back home.

    1. it’s funny how they can always “reach” when it comes to white people and relationships. some way,some how a white woman will appear, no matter how remote the location, hell even if it’s the moon. it’s called creative license.

  60. I take all these movies at face value. Just as my wife’s aunt say “tell a lie vision” is what it is. I can understand about the message some can take away from things like this. However it should be us the BLACK MAN/WOMAN making sure that our stories are reinforced when we see things like this. Although the directors or producers and writers may be black, it is a know fact that that is the one area we as a people lack the power is in television and radio. The few that are left is not powerful enough to right the wrongs. For example BET which is no longer owned by blacks changes the dailogue for the curse words to something that sounds very stupid, and the longest running showing on the network is videos??? Go figure, i feel that their truly calling should have been is to put out as much information as possible about our heritage as possible, and not wait until Feb to do it. Yes, sometime these types of things get under my skin when i see them, as a Soldier (not veteran), a black man, and Husband (married to a BLACK woman 23 yrs and counting) i don’t feel that there is anyone out there that could depict my love for my family as a whole because some just don’t have what i have. Just playing devils advocate for a moment, maybe that is why they faught (investore) to keep the film the way it ended up just to ensure that it would cause the effect of this magnitude and prevent us from supporting the few that do write or produce. So those of you that mention that you would not go to support any of the black film writers or producers; please tell me how many of the non black counter parts are you boycotting as well? Again, i feel your pain, and my wife gets under my skin daily, but there is nothing in the world that would make me change her for a non white or black woman. But remember this, true love is completely color blind and nothing we say or see will ever change that.

    1. I thought your perspective was interesting and thoughtful not at all angry, misinformed or written with a hidden agenda to not “let brothers shine.” Many comments on here saddened me. As people are so anxious to get small pieces of the holloywood crumbs leftover for black folk they are willing to ignore the images that are being displayed. I guess in order to uplift the story of black men one must omit the love they had for black women? I guess we need these black movies so bad, regardless of the distortion, we will take whatever we can get no matter what and when we do get it, black woman just sit back and don’t have an opinion because the brothers need some opportunity to shine? I have chosen not to see this movie. I see enough distortions of black relationships for free I’ll pass on having to pay to see it. Continue to write and share your opinion. Sb, its interesting how some men feel the need to imply because black women have opinions that is why they date outside their race. So what are these men saying about their own manhood and intellect or lack thereof? And are black women supposed to miss them or not have an opinion just to keep them? Negroes please.

      1. no we don’t need to see these movies so bad, but the truth of the matter is for you to say you wont go see it is one of the reasons that these kinds of movies don’t get made. You get angry that something is omitted. wake up man even in regular history films things are omitted. Ever see Pearl harbor, or the pacific. they omitted so much stuff its ridiculous. Go support the film so more can be made so we can make better and better films.

      2. j. rochelle,

        thank you for your encouragement/ comment. I wonder the same thing people are so offended but it’s my opinion and they chose to read it on MY Blog…lol, but you can be offended just don’t insult me for my opinion.

  61. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3206089038144.2166718.1443713045&type=3&l=b12afeaa3b

    This is a link to an album I posted on facebook. It shows the photographs of women who were Tuskeegee pilots in WWII, with links to webpages containing their biographies. Anyone who knows anything about film knows that the hero always gets the girl, no matter how macho the movie is.Why do you think the trailer says “We count our victories by the men we return home to their wives?” To totally exclude black women from this story is a tragedy and a travesty. I don’t totally fault George Lucas, because he probably thought fighting racism and sexism at one time in one movie was too much to tackle. Hollywood has no love for black love stories. It just shows you we still have work to do. I will go see the film because of my “half -full, not half-empty” view of life, but the story is only being half told.

  62. “the movie was about the abilities and actions by these BLACK PILOTS and I reiterate PILOTS and to my knowledge none of the pilots were Black Women”

    Hmm, so in this conversation that’s something worth exploring! What happened to the black women pilots in WWII? The story of black aviation includes the heroic stories of black women pilots like Bessie Coleman, Willa Brown and Janet Harmon Bragg to name a few.

    Janet Harmon Bragg talks about being rejected from the WASPS (the women pilots group) in her book “Soaring Above Setbacks” by none other than Jackie Cochran. Bragg was the first black woman to get a commercial rating. She was not permitted to fly in WWII because of her color. Jackie Cochran didn’t want to put her experiment with women pilots in jeapordy by including Black women pilots….so without taking a position about the importance of being the ‘love interest’ or giving credit to the many black women supporting the brothers so they could fly, I say go see the movie because it’s an important part of our history.

    As a black women pilot, I say that it is remarkable, given our history of racism, that the brothers got to fly at all! Their accomplishments and their service deserve our pride and our support.

    I’m sure some day that someone will do a film about the contributions of black women pilots including the great black astronaut Mae Jemison — now that will be worth celebrating!

  63. I cannot believe that all you took away from this film was the lack of black women. First there were no women in that unit. Second they were in Italy and many men of color did in fact date, sleep with locals. My uncle married an Italian woman. Third the wife, children and other family of “Ray Gun” the captured pilot were mentioned. There were no black women portrayed because they were not there! People need to ease off the reverse racisim and consider what a miracle that a rich white man with a black wife cared enough about our history to spend 85 million dollars of his own money to get this film made. Grow up!

    1. Yes, and we should be so grateful that they thought of us… Puulease!! They are not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, its an investment!! LOL!!! Bwahahahahahahahah!! This gets funnier and funnier…

    2. you’re mistaken there were Black women stationed overseas. also, white men dated non-white women while overseas too…but do we see movies where wm are only depicted wi non-white women in WWII flicks? We see mostly wm features w/ ww in WWII flicks…and dont’ presume to know ALL I took away from that movie…I spoke on something I didn’t like I knew about the Tuskegee airmen WAY before that silly movie (in my opinion it was silly) came out and i don’t George Lucas to teach me misinformation about them. I’d rather read a book or watch a documentary atleast I could get some actual history from that not some nonsense, video-game like plot with a poor script.

    3. first of all melody hobson is george lucas’ girlfriend, not wife. girlfriends come and go, there is no commitment there. secondly,i guess GL figured if he paraded his black date around, all the black women would fall to their knees and praise him for leaving us out his tampering with history and automatically see his movie.sorry, butnot allof us are so brain dead.

  64. Are you a complete idiot? Were they supposed to invent fictitious characters serving on the base? References were made to the mothers and wives of these great heroes in the film. If you knew anything about the background, you would know George Lucas has a prequel and a sequel written that he will make if this movie is successful. My guess is the story of the great black women that supported these amazing heroes and forefathers of modern day black aviators such as myself and my many friends will be included in the other two films if they are made. However, ignorance from people who fail to educate themselves before they flap their jaws or, computer keyboards in your case, may prevent the whole story from being told.

    1. You sound so pathetic, waiting on GL to tell your story if you behave like a good little monkey and watch this one….. Inferior is an understatement….

    2. i haven’t seen any confirmation about a supposed prequel or sequel, i’ve only heard a mention of that on blogs. i go by what I see and what I can verify. You need to educate yourself and research Black women’s presence in the European theater before you call ME an idiot ON MY BLOG that YOU CHOSE to read. okay? thank you

    3. and if they can invent fictitious Italian women that the guy magically flies over and finds (somehow, that didn’t even make damn sense) they can put a Black woman picture in the movie…seriously it’s not THAT difficult. Do not insult MY intelligence.

      1. A pilot finding a woman in a tower in the middle of the city wouldn’t be difficult at all to do.

    4. funny how you never have to wait for sequel and prequels to see white love on screen. it’s there front and center from the first. i think you maybe the idiot.

      1. No idiot here. Justan intelligent black man that understands the financial aspect of the game. The movie with all the action will bring in the diverse crowds to fund the to movies with the hard knocking racial tones, bigotry and therefore, limited appeal.

    5. Wish there were a like button for your comment. For those who have questions about the prequel and sequel-Lucas referenced them both in his Jon Stewart interview. This one took 23 years to get made.

    6. “Were they supposed to invent fictitious characters serving on the base?”

      Why not? They invented a fictitious white woman.

      See? You can’t have it both ways.

      And by the way, any injured Tuskegee Airmen had to be taken care of by a Black nurse because racial policies back then dictated that they could not be touched by white female nurses, so they could have conjectured a Black woman-love story there somehow.

  65. haven’t seen the movie honestly. i am not on the ‘Go See Redtails’ bandwagon that many people are on. i guess i will see it eventually. i’ve heard mixed reviews. some are complaining about the typical george lucas flat dialogue and corny characters. i just happen to think this is article is a case of making an issue of a non-issue. i imagine the move is set in 1940’s WW2 Europe. I can’t imagine that there were any black women around. just saying. i could complain that the movie ‘saving private ryan’ had no women in it and that would be just as baseless. on the beaches of Normandy there were no women. in i know sexism is alive and well, and black women have to deal with a double dose of discrimination. i just don’t know if this is a clear cut example of it. i know it’s cool to be anti-pop when something is popular, but please if we want to tear down the movie could we critique the corny uninspired dialogue or the one dimensional portrayal of the protagonists or something like that rather than for how sexist it is for not showing any sistas in europe in the 1940’s.

  66. OMG enough already!!! Putting a black woman in any of those scenes in the movie would have made no sense considering the scenes that were shot! There were no scenes about life in the US, and the only scenes in the US were in the Army meeting rooms and offices! Are we to expect to see black women flying planes? Living in Italy? Or how about discussing war strategies with the US Army Generals and Captains? Was there a complaint article about lack of black men in “The Help”??!! This is an outstanding film and probably one of the ONLY sources of black history education that some in this generation will learn from. STOP BEING USED AS A TOOL!! By the way, I am a black woman ;)

    1. and btw there were scenes that were taking place in the US in the film, they could have easily put in a clip of a Black man talking about a wife at the airbase in italy anyway…not that difficult…i don’t see what people are up in arms about…maybe because I didn’t like a film that left Black women out and people expect me to be mammy or mule and not speak my opinion

    2. and by the way there were Black women who flew planes, and there were Black women stationed in Europe in the WAC and also plenty of people complained about the representation of Black men in “The Help,” just check out the association of black women’s historians for that.

  67. One step at a time. ..If I’m not mistaken, George Lucas had been working on this story for at least 10 years and he hard enough time getting Hollywood to financially support this film BECAUSE it was viewed as a “Black” movie. I can imagine then that with an entirely Black cast, the movie probably would have NEVER made it to the theaters or it could have taken yet another 10 years to do so. Whether we like it or not, we need Hollywood to take THIS “Black” movie seriously in hopes that it will help to pave the way for other “Black” movies.

    I agree with all of the comments to an extent; you all made valid points and arguments and I totally agree; it is a shame that in 2012, we are only ten steps ahead of where people like Martin Luther King and Medgar Evers left us. But I do not think that Mr. Lucas’ possibly intentional ommission of black women in this film was done for any other reason than to get Hollywood behind it, because what’s more important than a love interest of ANY kind or color is making the story of the Airman known.

    1. why should we have to change our history to cater to white audiences? if white audiences or Hollywood doesn’t want to see productive black couples and would rather look at a sapphire, emasculating, dysfunctional black relationship then THAT right there is exactly the problem.

      1. It’s not about changing our history. But the reality is, it cost so much money to make a movie. There are other things to consider. Those who put in the work also want to get paid. Unfortunately, it’s not just about making a movie.

        It does make me wonder thoug, how was “Roots” so successful, especially since the subject was so touchy. Maybe it’s because EVERYONE in Hollywood was in it.

      2. It’s not about changing our history. But the reality is, it cost so much money to make a movie. There are other things to consider. Those who put in the work also want to get paid. Unfortunately, it’s not just about making a movie.

        It does make me wonder though, how was “Roots” so successful, especially since the subject was so touchy? Maybe it’s because EVERYONE in Hollywood was in it.

        Sorry for typos on my earlier post.

      3. And I totally agree with you, that IS the problem. But WE keep supporting the sterotypes so they think that’s all we desire. Sort of like Black-on-Black crime. They don’t have to kill us because we kill ourselves. By that same thought process, they don’t have to give us better because we don’t insist on better.

      4. @Peanut, I knew someone would point that out!! You’re right, but it was watched on White people’s T.V.s just as well as Blacks. I was pointing out the fact that it was successful and White America helped to make it a success.

      1. remember it is all money. When black films can make money with out being funny or degrading then we can stop saying support it. we need to get beyond the the music video’s and stuff. support the film it is not perfect but it is a step further. persuading people not to see it because there were no black women in the film is kind of silly if you ask me. and yes you have persuaded an unknown amount of black folks to not see it. this blog even start a discussion on face book about wither we should see it or not. because of the fact there are no women in it. that in itself is a shame. we all have our opinions there is just a time and a place to fight these battles.

      2. this is where people are mistaken I NEVER persuaded anyone not to see the film. I already saw the film and I said I didn’t like it. If other people want to see the film that’s their choice…and I SAID THAT IN my blog post if people read carefully.

  68. The problem is the film is just bad! And ends up dishonoring the real Red Tail Angels. Sadly it also serves to undermines us as film makers of color. This film is so devoid of craft or substance that Lucas’ declaration that it was hard to make, will not only fall on deaf ears, but help Hollywood justify its systemic racism. George Lucas may have actually set us back further than Tyler Perry, if that’s possible.

  69. Black Females are mad because there were no black women in Red Tails……ummmmm the war that was portrayed in the film took place in European in the 40s…why would there have been black women in the movie?

    Ya’ll are never satisfied

      1. lol..thats ok…i was like umm excuse you..lmao…but i really wasnt asking for real..it was more of a “duh its a good reason there arent black women in the film”…you know

  70. this is a trilogy people. the story is actually like 7 hour long and theis was the middle. there is a pre and a post to this film. I would hold judgment until the rest come out. but if we don’t support we will never know.

    1. please quit with the “you must go see it or else” scare tactics. i would not want to see a sequel to this. if a black woman ever did mae itinto his film, i’m sure they’d mae her fat, loud, ugly, mannish, or asexual as they always do. i don’t want hollywood ruining our images any further. anyone so brazn as to exclude you from history will have no qualms with ruining any image they suddenly choose to use of you.

      1. no scare tactics here, just real. You don’t have to see the film. But I have a feeling that you are one of those that complains that there are no good black made movies too. Its all good though. like most of the people on here. complain and do nothing about it. Unlike most I support the film. then complain, the young lady that started all this at least saw the movie first.

      2. there are plenty of black movies made by black people that get little to no support and often those films are more historically accurate. how about lackawanna blues, why is it we ONLY hear that we should support Black films that are sponsored by mainstream white hollywood studios and often they depict us wrong anyway? Why don’t we support our independent film makers who portray us more positively. there were other movies and plays about the Airmen that were much better in my opinion than red tails they didn’t get the same support: http://abff.com/festival/

      3. Lackawana Blues was produced by the exact same amount of white people as Red Tails. There’s a lot of harping about the things being wrong or left out and this not being a Black film, but similar to Lackawana Blues there was a Black executive producer in addition to a Black director and writers. So perhaps this is just the intepretation that those Black people decided to go with. As evidenced by the various posts, we all have differences of opinions. So if we put those facts in to play-there is anger because Black writers, directors, and producers did not put in enough references to Black women to suit your taste. One might argue that Lackawana Blues had a lot of stereotypical characters in it. Are you mad at those Black writers, directors, and producers? One of whom was Halle Berry?

  71. I agree with you. What you’re saying is spot on. No, I won’t see this movie. I also don’t see how supporting propaganda is “a step forward”.

    Despite the world we live, in some of us see you and hear you in hopes to be seen and heard from you just the same.

    1. This movie is NOT propaganda, it is what our grandfathers accomplishments during WWII, when even through adversity, racism and utter hatred our forefathers wanted to make their mark in the world…and they did! Maybe, just maybe if the intestinal fortitude of our ancestors existed within us the way it did in them, there would be respect for what they endured and not this petty behind crap about women not being in this movie. Each of you who insist on NOT seeing the movie, only make it that much more difficult for other mainstream Black movies to be made. What I believe most of you are forgetting it this is NOT fiction…these events, these heroic men existed. If you have a problem understanding their story, try reading what was written about them, by them. Read the history of Col. Benjamin O. Davis, he discusses the training of the men, the hardships they endured and the military aspect…NOT about the wives. Talk to your elders who fought in WWII, you will see why the Tuskegee Airman’s story is so important, not the story of their love lives! You can’t re-write history to make it fit the way you want it too. Give these men the honor they deserve without turning what was surely a difficult time in their lives into a sissified love story, because it most surely was not!

      1. good comment, not arguing though just challenging people to open their eyes AND QUESTION the images that the media feeds us and why some images are acceptable but others aren’t…that upsets people

        you can honor the Tuskegee airmen more by reading about them and not waiting for George Lucas and his people to give you a biased and half way account of what our Grandfathers and Grandmothers went through during that time. that movie left out so much stuff and watered it down. they didn’t even really touch on the impact tuskegee airmen had on race relations in the US. our grandfathers and grandmothers deserve better.

  72. It seems the issue here is clearly that this film was written and executed from a white perspective. Yet another case of our history being rewritten to satisfy the white establishment. Men, women, children, whatever. There was more to the story than was depicted and Hollywood ignored important elements in the lives of these men and the families they eventually returned to. Rally support for an accurate depiction and boycott movies and other vehicles that are historically inaccurate. Go back to the early days of the Civil Rights movement and don’t support biased depictions of our history. Arguing with each other accomplishes nothing but futility.

    1. good comment, not arguing though just challenging people to open their eyes AND QUESTION the images that the media feeds us and why some images are acceptable but others aren’t…that upsets people

  73. Seriously? I knew someone would find SOMETHING to take issue with and this is it? If you saw the movie then you understand that the love interest in the movie is a white Italian women because THEY WERE IN ITALY! We all knew sitting in the movie theater that these men had wives, sisters, mothers, etc. that were black back at home however we specifically came to see a movie that was about black men flying P-51 jets escorting bombers in Germany… Frankly it never once entered my mind that there needed to be a black woman somewhere and that black women were excluded from this movie.

    If you have seen ANY of the interviews that George Lucas has given you will have heard him say that he envisioned this movie being much like Star Wars in terms of there was so much information to tell and simply no way to condense it all down into ONE 2 hour movie so he imagines that there WILL be sequels to this movie depending on how the first one does at the box office…. so instead of finding SOMETHING to write and complain about… how about you support and uplift this movie for what it is and how well what it is may be portrayed then when he gets ready to start making another movie you can suggest to him an added angle to add into the storyline.

    1. seen the movie, wasn’t impressed and about the italian romance, there were Black women stationed overseas and the bottom line is Tuskegee airmen were married to BLACK WOMEN, not Italian women. and in my other thread we discussed multiple that actually there were Black women stationed overseas …even if they slept with Italian women,White men slept with Samoan/Filipino women overseas and you WILL NEVER see a film that puts an interracial relationship between a white soldier above his white american woman and they’ll always reference or demonstrate the support white wives gave to their white servicemen… I said what I saw was there were NO Black women in a film about BLACK PEOPLE…you don’t find that odd…what Black people only constitutes Black MEN these days? You don’t see a problem with Black women being completely absent from this supposed Black movie, which is really about black men/non-black women and white men? Tell me when you watch Saving Private Ryan or ANY OTHER WWII film about wm how often do you see (even in movies that take place overseas) WW COMPLETELY neglected from the plot, no pictures or reference to them at all?

      Answer me that and tell me why you think its different with this film, then tell me how you would rate the media’s treatment of Black women in film IN GENERAL and how this film is any different?

      okay?

      1. I’d like to say reiterate one last time that there were several family pictures in the living quarters that could be prominately seen. There were also several references to wives, children, and parents back home. In addition, there were also references to at least two HBCU’s. Perhaps the movie might be worth a second look see so that you can catch all of those.

      1. I’d like to say reiterate one last time that there were several family pictures in the living quarters that could be prominately seen. There were also several references to wives, children, and parents back home. In addition, there were also references to at least two HBCU’s. Perhaps the movie might be worth a second look see so that you can catch all of those.

      2. I would like to reiterate again:
        “seen the movie, wasn’t impressed and about the italian romance, there were Black women stationed overseas and the bottom line is Tuskegee airmen were married to BLACK WOMEN, not Italian women. and in my other thread we discussed multiple that actually there were Black women stationed overseas …even if they slept with Italian women,White men slept with Samoan/Filipino women overseas and you WILL NEVER see a film that puts an interracial relationship between a white soldier above his white american woman and they’ll always reference or demonstrate the support white wives gave to their white servicemen… I said what I saw was there were NO Black women in a film about BLACK PEOPLE…you don’t find that odd…what Black people only constitutes Black MEN these days? You don’t see a problem with Black women being completely absent from this supposed Black movie, which is really about black men/non-black women and white men? Tell me when you watch Saving Private Ryan or ANY OTHER WWII film about wm how often do you see (even in movies that take place overseas) WW COMPLETELY neglected from the plot, no pictures or reference to them at all?

        Answer me that and tell me why you think its different with this film, then tell me how you would rate the media’s treatment of Black women in film IN GENERAL and how this film is any different?

        okay?”

        see i can repeat my same POV AGAIN and again too.

      3. From the book Fighting in the Jim Crow Army: Black Men and Women Remember WWII

        http://books.google.com/books?id=k1L6c3gQjT0C&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=Black+men+who+married+Italian+women+in+WWII&source=bl&ots=4Kt7fe3drs&sig=wHMPCz4KRG1MTqOO5Hw5nFYF5Vc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DpYcT5iCNoiYiAK4x6SiCA&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

        SOME Black men did marry ITALIAN women during the war.

        Seems like the major issue here is interracial dating/marriages which does happen (Check out the new HBO movie about The Lovings-a true story that’s been done over and over) It’s a shame that this one issue sparks such a debate and puts into question how good the movie is. Seems like the same form of racism that the Lovings faced by Whites to me. Just saying.

      4. Earlier comment was in response to:’

        “the bottom line is Tuskegee airmen were married to BLACK WOMEN, not Italian women”

  74. This is a movie not a documentary. As an historian, I also noticed that there were several things missing from the movie. We should not get so hung up on what was not there and applaud what was there. To get the movie into theaters was a challenge on many fronts. Your observation about the lack of Black women in the film is duly noted. Supporting Red Tails is an opprotunity to show movie makes that films of this genre can indeed be profitable. To that end, when we complain about what is not contained within this movie, are we a part of the problem or part of the solution?

  75. I have read many of these comments and I saw the movie, so here is my opinion as an African-American women, this was a typical George Lucas film of the underdog overcoming evil – it just that the heroes were African-American Men. Keep in mind that although this movie was produced by a white man, it was also was written,directed by and stars black men. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Aaron MacGrudder of the Bookdocks co-wrote the screenplay. For those who haven’t seen the movie the one theme that I haven’t seen mentioned in this discussion is that the movie shows positive relationships between intelligent, black men who truly supported and cared for each other when literally the whole world including the USA was against them and did not want them to shine. I would suggest that we as adults, should take our children and their friends to see the film to view the positive aspects about it and then have a dicussion with our children to fill in the historical facts. In fact, we should do this with most historical pieces made in America because most of them are distorted to portray the white man as the only hero in this country. Yes, African-American women were absent in this film – I can’t complain about that because for once our men were not gang bangers, pimps, or drug dealers downgrading and killing each other. My final point is about the interacial relationship – this one also followed the Lucas formula of the arrogant wildcat having a softer caring side and finding love. Nothing more – nothing less. Your points are true and valid – however look at the source. This movie was financed by a man who’s movies typcially are feel good but do not make overt political statements. Why are we expecting more?

  76. to proudchocolategirl

    first i want to acknowledge you by saying ,thank you. you made an opinion and sparked the attention to a plethora of people.its often hard to be civil in any kind of forum.You motivated me to comment.As a black man i feel as though the education of the history is an ongoing lesson.The are many facets of it that may not be exposed.Some efforts to do so have been streamed in to commercialism(hollywood films)unfortunately,when making a film its dificult to appease everyones palete.I respect your comment and your personal connection with the film.I will see the movie becuase i choose to view movies as entertainment FIRST.Yes this movie is suppossed to have historical accuracy but no movie will ever have everything.Lucas films’ is a staple in the film industry becuase of his ground breaking, out- of- the-box,innovative,this is what i want so lets figure out how to do it way of thinking.I will learn something while im entertained.
    peace.

    Keys

  77. I understand your frustration and your points but we got to remember this movie and the HBO movie “The Tuskegee Airmen” where based (and a emphasis on based) on a true story. Mr. Lucas financed the movie by himself, and he wanted to focus on the war while they where in Italy. None of the major Hollywood movie companies wanted to fund this movie because they felt that it will not generate big sales in the box office. Furthermore, when Mr. Lucas was interview about the movie, you never heard him said this was a “Black movie” but an “American movie” and he has a prequel and a sequel in mind if the movie does well. So the fact that he may had cut a scene (yes because they do edit and cut scenes in all movies) of an Airmen holding a picture of their mother, sister, or wife, does not bothers me and I do not hold it against Mr. Lucas.

    You mention that many European women called black men names, which is true, but I do not recall you mentioning that some Black men stayed in Europe after the war because they did not get the same kind of treatment they received back home. So the “love story” they had in the movie did not surprise me. As a matter of fact that is something that I do not recall being captured in previous WWII films. I will be the first to say that I liked the movie but I liked the HBO movie better. If people wanted to see a documentary on the Tuskegee Airmen, that is what they should had watched not a Hollywood movie. It is a good movie based on true American hero’s.

    I am not a Tuskegee Airmen historian but I do personally know true tails of these great men told personally to me (by Airmen and their wives) almost every Sunday for 6 years. I am a proud black men that is blessed by being Puerto Rican and a proud Tuskegee University Alumni (class of 2003) and Active Duty Captain in the United States Air Force.

    1. The HBO film was better to me…as well and unlike this movie they had Black women in it and still managed to focus on the historical struggles and triumphs of the airmen…and the plot and acting was better. This movie was a disappointment (in my opinion) and the lines/jokes were stupid as hell.

      1. In regards to the comparisons between Red Tails and the HBO Tuskeegee Airmen movie-the HBO movie was 33%written and 100% directed by White men. So what’s being argued here is that White people know us better than we know ourselves since Red Tails was 100% written and directed by Blacks.

      2. and at Carla… not really. We just stating that the HBO movie dialog was better. That movie had a lot of wrong facts, for example in the scene the first lady (Elanor Roosvelt) and the pilot (played by Fishborne) took a picture. Fact is that Alfred “Chief” Anderson (a civilian pilot instructor) was the gentelmen that took the first lady in the plane. He tought many of the cadets (and one of the current spouse) the basic of flying airplanes. But Hollywood thought it is better for the movie if one of the pilots (a Liuetenant) was asked by the first lady to fly her. Oh and another fact about Chief Anderson, he never served and he also he tought himself how to fly and bought his first aircraft.

        Again, these are Hollywood movies, and they want to make sales, keep it interesting, as well as tell the story. So like it was stated many of times (even by the autor of this blog), what we need to do is educate and correct the facts about the movie to those individuals that don’t know. And I think the author of this blog was trying to state this from the start.

        by the way proudchoclategirl… look what you started, LOL! You did have a valid point from the start but people just took it the wrong way.

      3. There’s a wonderful story today on CNN.com that recounts a true Tuskegee love story. It captures the love pilots have for flying and magically for each other and the real challenges that black women pilots faced and that were barriers to their full participation in the early days of aviation. This is an inspirational story about truly overcoming obstacles, continuing to pursue your dreams and having the support of a true partner.

        I LOVED the movie because it captured the bravery, heroism, comraderie and leadership of the black pilots. It portrayed what happens when you can succeed and earn respect based on your skill and your training. That was the true freedom those pilots experienced (along with the thrill of flying)!

        One of the many reasons I love to fly is that the plane doesn’t know my race or my gender (and the world is so beautiful from 3,000 ft.msl). It responds to the inputs, good or bad. I’m only sad that this movie wasn’t made generations ago, so that more girls and boys didn’t discover the joys and freedom of flying sooner.

        I was disappointed that there were no black women but I was also disappointed black men weren’t featured prominently in the Help.

        http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/22/us/tuskegee-airmen-first-couple/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1

  78. I saw the movie and I thought it was good.We should all support it so we can get more movies like it in the future.Let’s face it: the whole “there were no black women” argument is weak..Seriously weak.And it’s borderline ignorant..That sounds like complaining just to complain.If you want to see films that depict more accurate roles of black men and women in history,they are films out there. Check out an excellent film called Hidden Colors (www.hiddencolorsfilm.com )

    1. what makes it weak and ignorant, that’s the same argument Black men used to get movies made about THEIR IMAGE in WW2…so I guess for bm to shine bw have to left out, but not ww huh?

    2. I have to agree. It’s weak because historically men leave there families behind when at war. In many war men (black, white, and other) take up with the locals for various reasons-one of which is probably not knowing whether they would return home or not. The romance story in this film is entirely accurate if you do a bit of research.

      1. I have to agree with Carla. It is accurate. I have a girlfriend who’s grandfather was a Tuskegee airman and her grandmother was white, a native of where they were stationed at the time.

  79. great post! I concur wholeheartedly….as a black woman I am tired of my image being relegated to such inferiority. We are always portrayed as the harlett, the ghetto girl, or the dysfunctional angry black woman who can’t keep a man. to have a white woman as the love interest is most definitely a SLAP IN THE FACE. They always make our black men feel as though they have to go outside their race for love and care and so often we know this is NOT true* George Lucas is trying to guilt trip blacks into seeing this movie saying: “hollywood didnt want him to make the movie bc black movies don’t fill seats” but certain ‘black movies’ should NOT fill seats….we should demand better productions and storylines..I’m tired of Tyler Perry movies portraying me just the same with any white director as less than the QUEEN I am…

    1. The directors and writers of this movie were black. Along with the other executive producer. Still mad at the “man” George Lucas? He was just the most well known name which is how he landed the Jon Stewart interview. Check out the rest of the credits.

  80. I saw it and my girlfriend too. We both agree that this kind of movie is needed in White Hollywood. I support my people always and forever will do so. Because if you would use your head and think about what this could do for African Americans in film. You wouldn’t suggest to others not to see a film about us that portrays us so positively. It’s only a 2 hr movie i couldn’t tell you my life story in 2 hrs in great detail, can you? I hope and pray that this movie sparks a new wave of black films that portray our great men and women in a way that America has never seen.

    Lord knows i would hate to see more films like Precious.

    1. if you would read my post you would realize I DIDN’T suggest that others not see the film. and what will it do for African-Americans in Hollywood…they say that b.s. about every black film and it’s still the same stereotypical images and misrepresentation and omission every film anyway…said the same crap about Precious and The Help

  81. In reference to the comparisons between Red Tails and the HBO Tuskeegee Airmen movie-the HBO movie was 33%written and 100% directed by White men. So what’s being argued here is that White people know us better than we know ourselves since Red Tails was 100% written and directed by Blacks.

    1. that’s the saddest thing Carla…it’s not that white people know us better…it’s that they put the wrong Black people up to writing that film…Terrence Howard and Aaron McGruder come on…after the Boondocks they should have known better

      1. Terrence Howard didn’t write the film. John Ridley was the second writer. In addition George Lucas has no directing credits for the film only partial executive producer

      2. I didn’t say terrence howard wrote the film, he was hired to act in it. I liken putting black actors and writers who have a history of portraying negative and demeaning portrayals of Black men and Black women to rallying behind Clarence Thomas just because he’s black. what’s the point of putting in a Black face if he has a racist mindset just the same as a racist white?…?

    2. and if Black people knew ourselves a little better maybe we wouldn’t be so quick to support a film that financed by a white man and written by Blacks who obviously don’t value Black women or Black people

      1. proudchocolategirl, have you ever stopped to think that maybe that was someone’s grandfather and Italian grandmother displayed in that film? It was not rare for military men to marry or even dabble with women in the country they were stationed in whether they were married or not.

        I know a lot of military children who are multi-racial and I know of one in particular who’s grandfather was a tuskegee airman (RIP)

  82. I personally loved Red Tails. Of course they could have done without the love story as a whole, but they didn’t. They were in Italy, and a pilot fell in love with an Italian woman in Italy, so what. I get the anger, but we’re losing focus on the bigger picture which were the struggles that these young black men had to go through to prove that they were just as good, and even better than their white counterparts. In the beginning of the movie there was a statement as to why coloreds were deemed unfit for what they were fighting for and by the end of the movie they proved that they were fit and smart, and capable to be airmen.

    Both of my grandmothers supported my grandfathers who were both WWII vets. They were not depicted in this movie, but I still appreciated how the overall struggle of the Tuskegee airmen “inspired” this movie. Btw, although most of the Tuskegee airmen were married to Black women, all of them were not. I guess that’s the one shown in the movie. Perhaps your cries will be heard in the sequel when they’re able to focus more on the families, etc.

    And btw, George Lucas did not write or direct this film. He simply provided the funding so that it could get to the big screen.

    1. George Lucas did direct the reshots elicia…do we see WW2 movies where white men are shown with no white wives…hardly ever you look at the major pictures of White WW2 servicemen they ALWAYS have references and shots of the supportive role white wives played, but for some reason when it’s Black women its different… also plenty of white men were involved with samoan/ filipino women…we never see those women put above their white wives in film, why do you think that is?

      Personally I didn’t think the movie did the Tuskegee airmen justice it didn’t even really touch on the full impact the airmen had on race relations they did a better job of that in the HBO film. unfortunately the black men writers they chose for this film have a history of misrepresenting and mistreating Black women in their work…

      1. I completely understand your concern. I personally could have done without the love story. I do see your point, but I think you’re missing the bigger picture. Yes our grandmothers supported these men, but honestly it wasn’t about them back home, the entire story was about the men in their present situations there in Italy – where were you going to find black wifes and daughters in Italy?

        I think it was a great film and I think it displayed black men in a very positive light. It showed their strength, their faith, their abilities, their bravery, and comradery amongst them, something that Tyler Perry hasn’t been able to do to date.

  83. DISCLAIMER: I enjoyed reading the above posts, and wanted to present this info to shed some insight. Also, with respect to words and phrases in all caps, I want all who reads to know that the all caps are used emphasize points…not yell, which tends to be the case with other individuals, but not myself. So, please take no offense to the all caps, and instead, realize that these are points that I want those who read to take away from my posts. Lastly, through posts, we have the opportunity to share opinions, thoughts, and most importantly, acquire knowledge. Keep posting, because we all have perspectives and insight that can benefit others! Now, to my post! :)

    Hello all!

    First, and foremost, I really enjoyed reading this post, and I had the opportunity to express some concerns addressed in this post with the executive producer, Rick McCallum, at a pre-screening of the film that I had the opportunity to view. However, before I go into my post, I must start off with the following statement:

    If there’s any week to support this film, IT MUST BE DURING THE FIRST WEEK OF ITS RELEASE!

    Yes, I said it. Of all weeks to support this film, it has and MUST be the first week. Unfortunately, I don’t have a lot of time to go into details that will shed more insight, but aside from what we’ve heard in the media (studios not wanting to support the film AT ALL, George Lucas using his OWN money to put this film out, etc…), the issue is at heart is the fact that studios won’t support films with predominantly black casts. Why? They don’t make money. If Hollywood is going to invest a lot of money into a high budget film, it wants to be assured that it gets its money back….AND THEN SOME! The only way to assure this, is to see how well the film does in the box office. The first week is an indicator to studio heads, that the film is something that the public WANTS. If this film does not do well, this is an indication to Hollywood that films with a predominantly black cast DO NOT SELL and will justify WHY they were right for not helping George Lucas with the production and distribution of this film. You would think that someone who has as much clout and success as George Lucas (INDIAN JONES, STAR WARS, TRANSFORMERS,etc..) would be able to get aid from studio heads, but NOPE. Not an option. Also for the record, a prequel and sequel HAS already been shot, and they will be released IF this film does well. George Lucas decided to release this film, because it was the “safest” per se of the three, and according to him, audiences will be pleased and more impressed with the other two films. Who knows, we may see more black female leads. George has always been ahead of his time, so it wouldn’t be a surprise to me to see black female lead/supporting actresses in the other films. Remember, we’re taking strides…we can’t just drop an all black film on the world of Hollywood and expect EVERYONE (spectators of all nationalities included) to take an interest. This is HOLLYWOOD. You have to understand the system, and how it has affected the distribution and representation in this film and black films that we’ve seen circulated in Hollywood thus far.

    Now, not to overlook the black women who supported the Tuskegee Airmen, but you have to think like Hollywood. As blacks, we tend to get all caught up in “our history” being told exactly how it “should be”. However, this is not a black man making a black film, and the movement/buzz behind this film is synonymous to the civil rights moment. This film alone is not going to change the representation of blacks and increase the amount of stories being told. It’s a step toward having more films with predominantly black casts that show blacks in a positive light. However, this road to the film’s release addresses an issue that has been used against blacks for a while. The USE of QUOTAS. In this case, quotas are used to justify the lack of black films AND films with a predominantly black cast in Hollywood. With respect to films, the quotas used to judge the success of “our” films is… (drum roll please) the box office results.

    When we think of the civil rights movement, we immediately think of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. However, although MANY blacks played a role (including black leaders who opposed King’s tactics), many whites participated as well. I can’t help but wonder why King is celebrated more so than other black leaders. Words can’t express how much I appreciate what he has done for us…for me…however, I can’t help but to feel that he is recognized much more than other black activists for his “non-violent methods” which may be strategic on America’s part. Think about it…if Malcolm X, the black panthers, and other leaders in this period used non-violent methods, would we know more about them? Would we have to do more research to learn about these movers and shakers? Their viewpoints? In essence, film is the same way! We have black filmmakers out there who have the resources to tell our stories, but for whatever reason, they’re not being told, and the stories being made aren’t getting distributed through outlets that reach the masses. However, we see WHAT TYPE of black films are being distributed. Studios have no problems supporting the films that have mentioned above. WHY? They have no interest in the positive portrayal of blacks. They are interested in what sells, and what sells are negative stereotypes that are associated with our culture. Who is to blame? The audience members? The filmmakers? At this point, it doesn’t really matter. We have people who support films, because a black filmmaker made it. We have people who support films, because a specific black person is in it. NOW, we must support films that bring us one step closer to having the films that we’ve wanted for years, and this film is the closest thing that I’ve seen to demonstrating positive relationships between blacks (males in this case).

    One thing I’ve come to learn is that filmmakers have their own niches, and for all we know, the black filmmakers in Hollywood may not have an interest in telling our stories, and possibly for the same reason studios won’t support the production and distribution for this film. NO PROFIT GUARANTEED. George Lucas made a huge step by introducing a predominantly black cast. He also took a risk by investing HIS OWN MONEY. We all can argue that he has enough money to “throw away”, but let’s be honest with ourselves. How many people do we know who manage to throw their money away on useless things (buying clothes they don’t need, cars they can’t pay, getting hair done, etc…) when they’re strapped. More importantly, how many individuals with similar resources as George Lucas STILL waste their money on buying huge houses, traveling the world, and/or invest it to figure out ways for it to grow larger than what it already is). This man put up his money to make this film, and he wanted to focus on black men as heroes. He wanted to celebrate these black men who were flying the fastest planes upon graduating high school/college (depending on the individual). Also, important to note is that this is a film that has been in development for years…not 10, not 20, but 30 YEARS…..Why did it take so long to release? No one would support him. This man wanted to make sure this story got told, despite the odds against him.

    With respect to black men involved in this project, yes, the director was black (Anthony Hemmingway) and Aaron McGruder was one of the writers. However, to be more specific, the script was already written, and he “added” to it. What he did and didn’t write is information I don’t have access, however, this post brings me to another point. Black filmmakers, directors, screenwriters, etc… in the industry all have the responsibility of “representing our race positively”. Men involved with the production of this film met with the Tuskegee Airmen, and the Tuskegee Airmen were on set throughout the shooting to make sure everything was accurate. At the end of the day, we don’t know how much “say” these men had in terms of representation, but it’s important to note that everyone involved in this film worked hard to make sure they were as accurate as possible in telling this story. The Tuskegee Airmen may not have had an issue with their being an Italian female lead, mainly because (although not common) they still had friends who dated/married women who were citizens of the countries they were stationed.

    I think the least of our worries should be a black woman in the lead. Before we try to demand black female leads, we need to prove that films with a predominantly black cast, can be “successful” in every sense of Hollywood’s definition. Once we prove to Hollywood that they can and SHOULD invest in films with predominantly black casts, then we can tackle the issue of the lack of black women in supporting AND lead roles. I wasn’t surprised to see a white Italian woman as the lead. However, George Lucas may have been using the culture we live in today to his advantage. We see more interracial couples in 2012 than we did during the 40s. However, if you’re going to make a black film on this level in terms of budget, you HAVE to pick your battles. Keep in mind, it COST MORE TO MAKE RED TAILS THAN IT DID TO MAKE A TYLER PERRY MOVIE. If I’m correct, the cost of Red Tails, may have been more than the profit generated from a Tyler Perry movie, considering that his films are typically low budget, but that may be a stretch. I’ll get back to you on that! :)

    George Lucas has a fight on his hand with respect to having a predominantly black cast and putting in black female leads (and or supporting roles), would have sunk the Red Tails ship. NOT because it’s a black woman, but because there has yet to be a film with an ALL BLACK CAST (black men and women included) that demonstrated black people having positive relationships/experiences and ultimately having some sort of “success” and/or “win”. My friends, we are witnessing the QUOTAS game. We have to PROVE why our stories should be in Hollywood, and the only proof is the BOX OFFICE RESULTS, which is Hollywood’s sole interest. The day that Hollywood can MAKE MONEY and have an all black cast, is the day we will see films that accurately and positively represent our culture. Until that day, we have to realize that what we see, is what’s “acceptable” or “safe”. Right now, we’re not even safe with a predominantly black cast of males, so again, this is another stride that’s being made in Hollywood with respect to black films. Think about the election. Think about standardized tests. Think about all of the social barriers that black people (and individuals of other ethnic groups) have currently as a result of “stats” and “quotas”.

    On another note, I just read that “Red Tails” opened in second place:

    “It made an estimated $19.1 million, according to 20th Century Fox, which was well above expectations; the studio had hoped to reach double digits, said Chris Aronson, executive vice president of domestic distribution.”

    You can read more about this at this link: http://www.thegrio.com/entertainment/red-tails-holds-it-own-at-the-box-office.php

    1. I applaud your comment! We have to look at the bigger picture in each fight that we take on! it costs $101million to make it. They’re calling it George’s $101million gamble b/c no one wants to see stories about positive black men.

      i’m willing to overlook the 15 minute white girl romance to get an hour and a half of our history.

  84. I am a Black man and love Black women. Only date black women. With that being said,THIS WAS A GOOD MOVIE, WITH A STORY THAT NEEDED TO BE TOLD. It also NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED BY US (Black Americans). There was ONLY ONE women in the entire movie and yes she was white, but dang, REALLY!! Some of you are choosing to not see the movie or condemning the movie because of that. Seriously!!! How many of you saw the first “Tuskegee Airmen” movie? I did, and don’t recall many if any black women in that one. (I could be wrong, but doubt it.) Sounds like some of ya’ll are waiting on the the perfect movie and that’s unfortunate. All of the ISM’s are alive & thriving today, including sexism, but was this a clear cut example of sexist racism? I say no. And why, BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ONE WOMEN IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!

      1. Thanks for the article. Hopefully IF that movie does get a sequel…it will be better than this one and Black women won’t be completely overlooked.

    1. There were more Black women in the HBO film than in Red Tails, and unlike Red tails they actually are visible to the audience and you don’t need a magnifying glass to notice them. There were more than one white woman in the Red Tails film by the way all you have to do is check the credits and IMDB to see that. Saw the film, didn’t think it did the Tuskegee airmen justice. But I respect your POV and your right to see and enjoy the movie. Thanks for your comment. :)

  85. Dear Elicia,

    Thank you for this article. Provides accurate information that is much needed based on some of the discussion posted here.

  86. To all those who petitioned NOT to watch Red Tails, go on ahead and pat yourself on the back. I think the ironic thing about the whole thing was the argument about “not having Black women in the movie” and “how are they going to have to the Tuskegee Airmen fall in love with a white Italian women?!” ended up biting Red Tails in the butt in the box office. Guess what it got beat by? A pale white woman vampire movie! So thank you for petitioning this movie. We have the opportunity for something great, and yet we point fingers instead. FANTASTIC!!!

    Signed,

    A pissed off Black Aviator

    1. To all of those who DIDN’T read the post, go ahead and pat yourself on the back because there was never any mention of “petitioning,” or boycotting the movie. The ironic thing is I actually said in my post that those who wanted to support the film should do so, but people seem to have missed that. So why this comment is directed at my blog I don’t know.
      Signed,

      A misunderstood blogger

  87. I just looked it up and there were only two women in the cast of the HBO Tuskegee Airmen movie. One black and one white. Vivica Fox played “Charlene” and Rosemary Murphy played Eleanor Roosevelt.

  88. Ok, so Black women aren’t in the movie. Joe a.k.a. Lightning didn’t hold up a picture of a Black woman. Ray Gun didn’t thank his Black wife and his Black children. So what? This film was not an attempt to pay homage to the Black woman. The purpose was to pay homage to the unsung heroes of WWII – those who fought. Yes, Mildred Carter had a pilot’s license. But, she was NOT allowed to fly. Yes, Black women were nurses and such. But this was NOT a movie about that. It would have been impossible to show a Black love interest in Italy seeing that the women there were Italian. How much time do you think a movie has to tell every story you want told? Lucas put his own money in it, so did you think it would be 3 hours long?

    I just don’t understand why we are so critical of movies about Black people, but we accept all the other junk thrown on television. Do you complain when you see how Black women are portrayed in rap videos? Oh no, of course not because at least they put the Black woman in there somewhere, right? Utterly ridiculous. Maybe we should complain about Morgan Freeman not having a Black love interest in Shawshank Redemption. He actually goes to live with a White man for the rest of his life.

    We find the wrong things to argue about. You weren’t there in 1944. The Tuskegee Airmen were. They are proud of this film, so please let them be. As an alumnus of Tuskegee University, I am overly proud of my alma mater and everything that it is, was, and is becoming.

    I just hate the fact that you as a sister choose to be a part of the negativity instead of a part of the positivity. We get enough of that from everyone else – let us not do it to ourselves. I loved Red Tails and will continue spreading its good news!

    1. and what i’m trying to do is to get people to question WHY black women would be left out…please stop telling me again and again what the purpose of the movie was, ask WHY was that the purpose of the movie? If it calls itself a Black film about overcoming racial adversity why would Black WOMEN be absent as if they didn’t contribute to overcoming that adversity as well…question WHY things are the way they are that’s the point I’m making.

    2. and they could have easily put a Black love interest in if they wanted to… in fact the Tuskegee airmen were stationed in NORTH AFRICA before Italy…there were Black women nurses stationed in North Africa, could have easily had an airmen meet a Black woman there or at least referenced their presence and the support they gave.

    3. and don’t presume to know what I complain or do not complain about. I don’t even listen to rap music and I do complain WHEN I encounter stereotypical and demeaning images of Black women, but you are derailing from the post by bringing that up. It’s fine that you loved Red Tails, I didn’t. I can love and support the Tuskegee airmen without loving this sad (in my opinion it’s sad) adaptation of a very proud moment in Black history.

  89. I think you have missed the point of the movie and the place and time at which the happenings took place. It was war time Italy and Europe. They would have had a more difficult time making the movie if they had to bring in the U.S.A state side scenes etc. You have turned everyhting about this movie into nothing but race. It goes deeper than that as in the end the movie represented America not just black people.

  90. there were no black women in the film because there were no scenes on the soldiers home lives.instead of nit picking the story for what it was not,be glad the story is being told on the big screen instead of just on hbo.that’s why we can’t have anything,somebody always gotta find a way to bring it down.they didnt have time to show the supporting wives at home.get over it

  91. I find it amazing that black people, particularly black women, have no problem with the absence of black women in this and other films. The mere defense of this movie explains why we as a group have not used our collective economic power to boycott Hollywood for its lack of and pathetic portrayal of us. Is it not clear that diversity is defined as black man and white woman or black man and latino woman or any woman but a black woman? Our leading men are regularly juxtaposed white and latino women but not Black women. Hollywood is sending a clear and consistent message: black women don’t matter. It’s time that we send one back! We are in a more powerful position than black men to make demands: We tend to head our households; we are college educated; we are white collar professionals; we are homeowners; we are small business owners; we are major consumers. We have more buying power than black men. Therefore, we should organize ourselves and boycott every film and television program that promotes interracial relationships while excluding us. We should demand a level playing field. If black men are to be consistently paired with white and other women, so should we be paired with men of other races. For not until we make our dissatisfaction known in monetary terms will the power brokers, black and white, listen and respond accordingly to us. We could stop this BS over night if we simply organized ourselves. Someone said a struggle without demands produces nothing. Let’s stop complaining among ourselves and organize around our economics.

    1. well apparently a lot of people don’t really see a problem with Black women not being in films about Black PEOPLE (and if that’s how they feel that’s their right) but I don’t know if that would happen any time soon

  92. Hollywood didn’t just start racism with the Red Tails film. All of your points have some merit ,but I have a problem in ranting about the first opportunity to market a quality black movie to a diverse audience without singing, dancing, sports or comedy being involved.. I say, “Be careful which battles you choose to fight”! The movie is set in Italy during WWll ,and the inclusion of a romance is the regular old formula Hollywood for every movie they make, but when was the last time you saw a Hollywood movie that featured an interracial romance between a black man and a white woman with graphic romance??
    Also, Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey contributed over $50 million toward the marketing of this film.
    It is over 2 hours long, and couldn’t possibly cover the totality of the Black experience of those men. If one adds the made-for-television “Tuskegee Airmen” story, where no real action is involved, to the Red Tails movie we still wouldn’t see the sum total of racism and a full stoy of the pain and chaos of racism-American Style. The story of black men , their wives and lovers, fighting in the military in WWll to preserve rights for people in America and foreign countries that they didn’t have back home is an irony that the movies refuse to touch…Of black men who fought abroad ,saved lives and earned medals for heroism in combat , only to return home and get lynched for being black is one Hell of a story.
    The movie is pointed, stays on task, and deals with combat and service overseas.Their issue was that they were pilots and were refused the the right to fight in combat as did other pilots.
    Most of the airmen were single men when they were in the military, and they were young men, as are most servicemen. in this case the young man who supposedly dropped out of Howard to become an airman would have been about 19 or 20..not the actor in the movie but a real serviceman who dropped out of college. Hollywood takes liberties in order to make the movie saleable to the public. I, personally , saw no reason to have a romance of any kind in this movie but they did in order to make a point. There were also no Italian prostitutes when you saw the men go out on the town in Italy but ,in real life, they would have been there., as they are in any overseas location where Americans are stationed. It is big business. Would that have given these men any more endearment to us?? I think not.
    Bringing in the personal lives of the airmen would have added another hour to the movie, and no matter how wel-meaning the gesture was it would have been meaningless to the plot, and the film could not have gotten marketed in America because it would have been too long.
    Also, had they dwelled on the personal relationships of those back home ,the movie wouldn’t pass the PG13 which allowed our younger people , who don’t have the longest attention spans, to enjoy the movie. There were 2 woomen in the movie:The Italian girlfriend and her mother. That was enough, if not too much.
    This movie deserves our support because it is ground-breaking with respect to marketing, and if it fails, it will be a long time before we see another attempt to bring quality black movies and quality black talent to the big screen. As for me, I have no desire to see more black drug dealers, pimps.whores, comedy characters, car chases,prison populations and shoot ‘em ups on the big screen. Its time to grow up and stop bitching when something different comes into the culture that could change a negative paradigm into a positive one.
    You raise a lot of good points in your message but you s some importasnt ones in the process. YOu want to change the story and that’s just not realistic since the moral of this story is about black men overcoming racism , not family relationships and black love, even as important as it is..

    1. Thanks for your comment, I don’t like you making the comment “stop bitching.” It’s condescending and I find that usually people use that to humble and keep a woman in her place for speaking her mind.

    2. and this is just my opinion, but to make a movie about overcoming racism and not include Black women and market it as a Black film..makes no sense…as if Black women didn’t contribute to overcoming racism during WWII, even overseas.

  93. I read and scanned most of this thread. So many misunderstandings, frustrations, and disrespectful condescending statements. *Peanut* all of the talk about boycott is likely inspired by those who said they either would boycott or based upon the accurate information your provided stated that they would not see it.

    I think it is a valid observation to note that there aren’t any Black women depicted in the film. Just as in Saving Private Ryan they showed the women typing up the messages it would have been easy to show Black women somewhere. I think it is worth noting but not so objectionable to condemn or suggest a boycott as some in this thread or on other blogs have suggested.

    This film is not meant to historical represent the entire story of the Tuskegee airman. It is clear to me that they simply used this to tell a unique story of Black Americans using the TA as the vehicle for an action film. The action sequences were amazing. Just imagining the skill and expertise was phenomenal. I’ve never sat in a theater as saw a film with a cast like this and I think they did a good job. I think it was better than the last Indian Jones film. I’m glad ELICIA shared the recent article which clears up maybe 2 dozen comments that were repeated…LOL…and yet the point remains. Black women were not depicted in this film.

    Can we not acknowledge that it was peculiar? I found myself feeling for the sistas as the only Black romance in this film was with the Italian woman. I also accept and defend that the likelihood that this Black airman crossed paths with Black or Italian/African women was remote. Yea they mentioned their families but there wasn’t any longing to be home or dialogue about them. As someone mentioned, people slammed the love story in Pearl Harbor…is that white people tearing down their race or just healthy criticism of a film?

    I’ve probably already written too much but I’m glad that you wrote this blog. I’m not surprised at the varying levels of emotions and opinions expressed here. We are a diverse people with equally diverse points of view. Let the dialogue continue.

  94. I had an Uncle that was a Tuskegee Airman who had a black wife and the movie Red Tails is also dear to me because I’m a native of Tuskegee Alabama. I don’t think for them to tell the story of the Redtails is deminished by the absence of black women. There were probably no black women on the base in Italy. The movie was about the RedTails heroics in WWII that doesn’t mean that there were no black women doing great things during that time. It just says that the story that was told in the movie didn’t happen to have any black women in it. In most military based movies there aren’t many women simply because they aren’t really allowed in combat.

    1. well the problem is to people who don’t know anything about history, they will think there weren’t any Black women doing things to support the airmen when there were and they may not have been stationed on THAT base, but they were certainly in there supporting Black airmen and caring for them. They didn’t even reference the soldiers thinking or caring about their wives at home, they were just absent. completely ridiculous. It didn’t “happen” to have any Black women in it. I find it odd that it seems people will use that logic ONLY WHEN IT’S applied to Black women being absent from history, when it’s applied to White women being left out of history, it’s sexism…when it’s Black women it’s just “happens to be this way.” funny to me

  95. I am sorry but all the fuss is getting on my nerves. This how the producers have chosen to tell the story. Its a movie. I understand that there is a history behind it but not every true event has been depicted in the most truthful way when translated into film. For goodness sake can’t we just be happy that it made it to the big screen and with a huge budget? This will pave way for more movies like this. I am tired of us black people making a fuss about everything. If as black women we boycott this movie then we will do our race a really great disservice!

    And this author is talking about The Princess and the Frog being rascist because she was a frog throughout. Are you kidding me? How about Beauty and the Beast? The Hunchback of Notre Dame? Where another race was depicted as monsters. For teh love of God can we stop thsi foolishness?

    1. if the fuss is getting on your nerves…why are you on here reading the comments and post? Finally if you read the post you’d see no one is talking about “boycotting the film.” That is a completel rumor and actually the opposite was said in teh post.

      About beauty and beast…snice when was “the beast,” a princess in the film. Last I checked the white woman (Belle) was a beautiful HUMAN woman the whole time, hunchback of notre dam was NOT a princess..leading lady was a beautiful HUMAN the whole time. It’s only the Black princess (alleged black princess) that’s a frog the whole time…ask yourself WHY you think that is…compared to other disney films?…

      but the point is about the film red tails, i’ve already responded to your claims, so i’ll just paste it again:

      “seen the movie, wasn’t impressed and about the italian romance, there were Black women stationed overseas and the bottom line is Tuskegee airmen were married to BLACK WOMEN, not Italian women. and in my other thread we discussed multiple that actually there were Black women stationed overseas …even if they slept with Italian women,White men slept with Samoan/Filipino women overseas and you WILL NEVER see a film that puts an interracial relationship between a white soldier above his white american woman and they’ll always reference or demonstrate the support white wives gave to their white servicemen… I said what I saw was there were NO Black women in a film about BLACK PEOPLE…you don’t find that odd…what Black people only constitutes Black MEN these days? You don’t see a problem with Black women being completely absent from this supposed Black movie, which is really about black men/non-black women and white men? Tell me when you watch Saving Private Ryan or ANY OTHER WWII film about wm how often do you see (even in movies that take place overseas) WW COMPLETELY neglected from the plot, no pictures or reference to them at all?

      Answer me that and tell me why you think its different with this film, then tell me how you would rate the media’s treatment of Black women in film IN GENERAL and how this film is any different

  96. One main landmark of the third world is matriarchy. This critique of Red Tails is a matriarchal rank to take over and supplant themselves in the limelight. Your concern about white women appearing in the film is baseless. white women are patriarchal and pose no claim to prominance in the lives of the men in this film.

  97. There was a “single shot” of a black women on the posted on the head broad of one of the soldiers bed. I found myself looking for at least some sort of mention of the other soldiers love story. after this Italian women was being called the most beautiful woman it the world after her ran his fingers through her hair. Was it wrong that I snickered that he died after he put her picture up in plane. In the same place that others put their diety;s photo? Also snickered when the dude with the Jesus photo nosed dived(at least he was a black jesus)

  98. This is a very good blog. I saw the movie and I thought it was good but I felt like a lot was missing. And you’re right, in most all of the WWII movies they always show what white women did to support their men and the war effort. This film neglected a lot and especially us. Even Spike Lee neglected us in his movie “Miracle at St. Anna”. In that, two black men were fighting over the love of this Italian woman. Go figure.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say not to support “Red Tails”, only because it is a positive movie about black men. Someone needs to stand up and make a movie about us however. Film makers are afraid to take that risk though, especially since we don’t even support our own films. We would rather “bootleg” it at most. Who knows, maybe Tyler Perry will one day. He’s the only one I can see doing it at best.

  99. Wow. I’m appalled by all the bitterness in this post and on this messageboard. I went to see Red Tails with my black girlfriend and we both enjoyed it. The many black women around us in the theater enjoyed it also. My black female family members loved it also. Not once was there a complaint about the lack of black women in the film. Everyone going into this film knew this was a war film taking place in Italy. It showed the romance between a black soldier and Italian woman, which happened and happened a lot back then. Taratino’s Inglorious Basterds showed a variation of the same.

    I think a lot of the women in this message board’s reactions are stemming from some alternative displeasure. Don’t know what it is, but I would say stick to your Steve Harvey books and Tyler Perry plays if you want to see more of what you complain you aren’t seeing in this WORLD WAR 2 ACTION FILM.

      1. Peanut …
        Just because we as black women have an opinion doesn’t mean we need to watch a tyler perry movie it means that brotha’s like you will sell us out for any amount of money…we just just want the entire truth not the hollywood sell or brain wash…white women have been sold to the media to over shadow us and keep us invisible or make our presence whores, mammies and political activist. When we are the creators and innovators of great mothers, beauty and trend setters, lovers, actors singers, dancers, politicians and every men desire’s. so if we have an opinion that is just what t is. This movie showed black men in a positive light saving a country with out what is normality a strong black woman by his side that’s real! Why when the light shines in the media it has to show a white woman getting the credit of being the only loving being and supportive of our men when thats not the whole truth.

      2. The tone of a lot of the comments are bitter in nature. That one chic Lab who went on a tangent and start talking about they are conditioning black men for upcoming wars with African nations. Hell, the first couple of comments was an all out black man bashfest. And it reads utterly, utterly bitter.

        But I’m not here to antagonize anyone, just want to make sure that you are looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place. You can’t really expect to find an intra-racial love story in a movie about WW2 pilots which took place on the front lines of batte in Europe.

        It’s simple logic.

      3. @ Cheryl, I understand what you are saying, but even Lucas himself said that this movie was originally apart of a trilogy, which included pre-war times and post war civil rights times. And I’m sure they would have involved black women. But from a strictly front line war time standpoint, of which this movie was based, there was simply no important black female role.

        Beyond the obvious of this being a world war 2, testosterone-filled, action flick, this was also more of a brotherhood movie than anything. You’re arguments are almost as ridiculous as being upset that there are not any women in Kappa Alpha Psi.

    1. I agree wholeheartedly with you angryscreenwriter! For once a movie that doesn’t glamorize sex and violence and all that can be found to complain about is the lack of Black women. shame shame shame. I bet they broke their necks to see Joyful Noise!

      1. “they” who is they because you’re not talking about ME surely…because you don’t know me or what I do. Don’t detract from my post by bringing apocryphal assumptions into the discussion.

  100. I agree wholeheartedly with my sisters view.We as a people do not have the luxury of not considering the emotional, psychological and spiritual impact of any movie proporting to represent any aspect of black people’s existence.

  101. Thanks for your blog. I see your point to a point. This is a movie Hollywood would NOT finance. George Lucus put up his money to tell this 1 story. Our Legacy in made up of many stories. We must vote with our dollars to get the projects WE want told. The main reason to support this film with your dollars is to show/tell Hollywood we want and need more ( positive)movies. Better yet we can/should start making/producing our own movies and supporting them at the box office. We have a million stories to tell.

    1. L Sheppard has been on other blogs making offensive comments. He’s a Black woman-hater so ignore this jackarse. As a Black woman, your concerns are 1000% legit. If it was the other way around, Black men would be hollering just as loud. Ignore those who seek to destroy you as a Black woman, a human being.

  102. For colored girls was all about women. Precious was focused on women. 90% of Tyler Perry movies are predominately about women and so are the many copy cats spawned by him. Over the last decade almost every “black” film has been black female based now this one…ONE film comes along giving shine to a historical accounting of a great thing YOUR men has done and there’s backlash from sisters?

    You don’t raise a voice when your men are portrayed as gays, woman beaters, bad fathers, child molesters and adulterers in these Perry helmed movies by the same hollywood system you rail against. Your un-balance critiques are a deeper reflection on the american black women and are subconcsious conspirators in the growing division between the black man and woman.

  103. Stop playing the role of a victim! George Lucus is in a relationship with a black woman. There is no grand conspiracy by the “white man” to keep us from the truth.I saw the movie and they didn’t delve into the background of any of the main characters. I know black women made contributions to the war effort, but maybe that should be celebrated in a different forum. it was the black men how fought and died for our country.Can they have their moment without sistas crying out ” what about us”

    1. so what if George Lucas is dating a Black woman…Terrence Howard and Cuba Gooding Jr and many of those other Black men are dating white women in reality…does that mean something? is that relative to the film in any way? you can voice your opinion if you think it is, but I really don’t think it is.

  104. Love Black women that being said your article is looking for love in all the wrong places. I saw the movie, it was okay. like the older hbo Tuskegee Airmen movie better. I wanted to see Haywire, mission or Sherlock, my wife wanted to see redtails. I understood positive images of black men are rear in hollywood movies, so the few there are I want my kids to see them. It is a black movie (even though there is no blk women and only two white women). I went with my family and enjoyed the movie. I recall telling my wife that I didn’t want terence howard representing black men b/c he sometimes seemed a little sweet. Terence by the way did a damn good job. Neither my daughter nor my wife were not offended by the absence of black women or a black man/white woman love affair. it just a simplified story about the black airmen who faught in WW2. I think your being overly critical. How many movies center on black women in the last year or two that didn’t have one positive image of blk men. Precious, For Colored girls. I saw both those movies and liked both movies and loved the women in them. I did note the negative portrayal of black men (and women). I read both books and the films were good derivatives of the books. Am i not going to go see and support these black films or the beautiful black actresses in them b/c of the lack of positive black female/man roles. NO. If that is the case I would just ban and censor all of TV and movies not just redtails or precious. you looking for love in all the wrong places. You will not see your reflection in hollywood’s mirror period, unless we create our own and support own. Its not a good policy to look for affirmation in hollywood. Look to yourself for that.

    1. thanks for your comments, I already talked about bit about the representation of Black men in film in my post. I didn’t say don’t support the film btw that something people are coming up with on their own.

    2. Mr. Rahotep , you are missing the point. The movies you listed, For Colored Girls,Precious, etc are negative depictions of Black men AND Black women – you’re gonna tell me that Monique’s role in Precious was positive?? The point is that whenever dysfunction, vulgarity, ugliness,or depression is on display, the bigots of Hollywood (both Black and white), fill the cast with plenty of Black women and Black men.

      But when beauty, love, intimacy, healthy relationships are showcased in movies with majority Black casts, Hollywood ALWAYS conveniently leaves out Black women, and replaces them with white or non-Black women.

      I mean it is mind-boggling that people have to keep explaining this point. This is why Hollywood can keep doing what i does – obviously we, Black people, are damn idiots!

      Yes, The Color Purple showed Black men and women in dysfunctional relationships. Precious – dysfunctional and ugly. For Colored Girls – dysfunctional, depressed. American Gangster – dysfunctional, with violent elimination of Black women used routinely throughout the film. Tower Heists – dysfunctional and old skool stereotypical. Don’t you get it??

      Black men are not the only ones portrayed poorly in any of the above movie s- in fact, it is Black women who bear the brunt of what these films are trying to promote – ugly, unattractive, unsupportive, depressed, abused, dispensable.

      On the other hand, when positive, healthy, supportive, caring, heroic, intelligent, non-criminal, non-ghetto relationships are showcased with Black leads or majority-Black casts, they ALWAYS REMOVE THE BLACK WOMAN. ALWAYS. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

      Dysfunction = Black man/Black woman together
      Healthy and Love = Black Man / White woman or non-Black woman

      This is what is pushed by bigots in the media. WHY. IS. THIS. SO. HARD.FOR.YOU.TO.SEE??
      .

  105. The points made in this blog have a slew of flawed arguments and many of those subsequent comments supporting them promote a sad theme of black people being petty, immature, negative, uniformed, and self-centered. The comments also represent a lack of basic knowledge of film. I’ll skip the history lessons, they’ve already been made but COME ON black people. We are better than this. The film is described as having an all black cast, not being a black movie…there is a difference. For instance, name one non black starring character……….(I hear crickets). This is an action movie based on historically real characters. PERIOD. Pearl Harbor was a LOVE story set during a historically real war…see the difference?

    I have to admit, I actually preferred the 1995 HBO version, The Tuskegee Airmen, because the script was much tighter and it was more of a drama (still lacking black women) however that did not take away from the message that screams from both films: The Tuskegee Airmen were a group of American pilots who defied the racist ideologies of the WWII era and succeeded in areas where their white counterparts failed. This was an “ACTION” movie depicting that. Not a love story, not a drama…it was one of the shallowest film genres there is, action.

    How the directors/producers/writers decided to tell the story is a matter of taste, theirs, not yours. Their perspectives, NOT yours. Btw, when supporting your arguments, if you’re going to make references to other films it’s a more intelligent argument to include films written/directed/produced by the same people of the same genre otherwise you’re comparing apples to gouda cheese (ijs). If it’s opinion that the movie should’ve included some reference (no matter how small or artificial) to black women then the above dissertation would’ve resembled that. However, when opinions are heavily “supported” by an abundance of flawed inaccurate arguments it becomes much more than an opinion, but a dangerous movement. While PCG does not specifically say “Boycott this movie!” it’s clearly inferred in many of her comments and subsequent commentators have even admitted to being swayed by her flawed inaccurate comments, affirming they will not see the movie.

    Every black story cannot involve EVERYTHING black. I actually understand why people don’t want to even TOUCH a black story. Who would when it would be so heavily dissected as this one… and based on nonsensical arguments. If directors/producers/writers have to fulfill every black person’s encyclopedia of requirements to make movies then why bother putting big money into it? It’s art. If you don’t like it make your own or watch Tyler Perry. I found it ironic to see the “Stop the censorship bill” ad on the top of this page yet you have such rigid requirements on a shallow action movie…ijs again.

    Peace,
    A happy black woman with the ability to put things into perspective

    1. It was promoted as a Black movie to Black people “elegance.” HBO film had more Black women than red tails ever did. There wasn’t much reference to Tuskegee airmen overcoming any type of racial obstacles other than dating a white Italian woman and going into a bar with white officers… nothing about the impact it had at home and nothing about how it affected the racial relations within the military in future wars. And no PCG doesn’t infer to boycott anything YOU inferred that. You have flawed thinking yourself Elegance…bottom line is the whole film itself was flawed, and to ME (this is my opinion) as I’ve said multiple time it’s incredibly ridiculous to make a movie about RACE RELATIONS OF BLACK PEOPLE and exclude Black women…I made the comparison to other Hollywood films to demonstrate the HYPOCRISY when it comes to making Black films vs. predominately white films and it is a PATTERN in Black films to misrepresent or ignore Black women altogether and thee are entire books out about this, I’m NOT pulling any of this out of thin air.

      You come on my blog and state your opinion, that is fine but do not ACCUSE ME of telling other people how to think when I’ve stated my opinion and I stand by it. The film did NOT accurately or properly portray the contribution of Black women and didn’t even accurately portray the impact that these men had on race relations overall. It was a comical, white washed representation of the contribution that Tuskegee airmen made to this country, the world and race relations overall.

      Peace.

    2. and I find it ironic that you’re on here reading my blog and talking about censorship and yet you’re obviously attacking my opinion and MY free speech when I NEVER TOLD ANYONE not to support the movie. that’s even more ironic to me.

    3. “The points made in this blog have a slew of flawed arguments and many of those subsequent comments supporting them promote a sad theme of black people being petty, immature, negative, uniformed, and self-centered. The comments also represent a lack of basic knowledge of film. I’ll skip the history lessons, they’ve already been made but COME ON black people. We are better than this.”

      and by the way, unlike this comment, I never expected all Black people to agree with me, I would never say that someone who disagreed with me was petty, immature and self-centered for expressing their OPINION…free speech right…?

  106. Just as this blog is your opinion, here is mine as a response. I enjoyed reading your post and somewhat understand where you’re coming from. However, I disagree. I don’t think that in making the movie, they blatantly disregarded the black woman’s role in WWII; I just think that they were more focused on the military aspect of the airmen instead of their home and family lives. And since they were based in Italy, the main love interest was an Italian woman. I DO think that if they would have included the wives/families in several scenes in the film, it would have been more emotionally informative. But they were going for a more action-packed movie. After all, there are tons of historical resources available that go into elaborate detail about the airmens’ lives in- and outside the war. So I do believe this action movie did the airmen justice in that aspect. And if anyone has waited this long to learn about the Tuskegee Airmen and expected the movie to provide every detail, they are ignorant. Also, if anyone is racist, it’s not the movie writers but the African American community for continuing to find negative things to pull the race card and complain about. Instead, in being proud that someone found this story amazing enough to produce a second movie about it, we should support it and educate ourselves further by reading books, visiting museums, and taking full advantage of whatever other resources are available.

    1. I respect your opinion, what I’m trying to do is get people to question WHY things are represented in Hollywood as they are…why is it more popular to portray Black women in certain roles, but in other roles (supposed historical roles) their representation is either omitted or misrepresented. Why is that?

  107. There WAS a Black woman in this story, and she was cut out. Jasmine Sullivan played a Jazz singer and love interest. Was she that bad she had to be cut? It was her first outing. Check the Internet. Many say it is implausible to have a black woman there. but some were mechanics. Others performed at the clubs. One could have appeared in a dream from home for all I care. It could have happened. Thank you for writing this.

    1. Isidra (btw, beautiful name), as with many movies, scenes and story lines are omitted from the finished project. I had nothing to do with the film so I can’t be exactly sure why they omitted this scene. However, after seeing the film it makes sense that it was because it had no place in the story as a whole (outside of throwing black women in “somehow”). The men were never in an establishment where a black jazz singer would exist, but they WERE in a place of recreation where a black jazz singer would’ve likely been prohibited. The latter establishment also set up subsequent scenes in the movie that depict racial intolerance and overcoming it after the Tuskegee Airmen defied racial ideologies.

      1. Elegance – we can’t really say there was “no place in the story as a whole” for a black woman because all we know is the final version. We have no clue what was edited and it stands to reason that if they included Jazmine Sullivans character to begin with – then there was, indeed “a place” for it – otherwise it would have never made it there to begin with.

        If Lucas, McGruder and Ridley felt comfortable taking creative liberties in creating this fanciful romance between the character and the italian village woman….then they could have taken the SAME creative liberties with giving another Airman a love interest that would have been equally historically accurate. And I say “historically accurate” because people keep saying that plenty of service men met, mated, impregnated and even married some european…but what was MORE LIKELY to have occurred was the opposite

        Overall – I, again – agree with PBG …. they want to throw in the IR twist. Cool – have it, be inclusive…but to exclude the love story that was most realistic, is a slap in the face.

        I dont see how anyone can argue that.

      2. that was part of the reason I brought up the example of other WW2 films that were mostly white. The plot if it takes place overseas even during combat (similar to Red Tails) still finds a way to put in a reference to the women at home supporting their men usually. This wasn’t the case with Red Tails and I FELT they could have easily put in a scene of a Black woman or referenced the importance of her role and it wouldn’t have been anymore out of place than putting in the Italian Romance. that was my point and my opinion. I just think they left Black women out intentionally and people are trying to make it seem as if I’m telling people not to see it, no I’m not. But I am defending my opinion and my point of view. I’m not going to let people try to dissuade me from voicing my opinion and dislike of this movie just because they may not agree with it. I’m going to defend my POV and I personally feel that I have some validity to my points. I may not be 100% right, but I don’t think it’s that unfathomable to think that they could have put in a Black female reference or character IF THEY WANTED TO. It SHOULD have been more inclusive in a film that is marketed at Black people as Black film(via the words of George Lucas) yet no Black women are present when we know they played a crucial role in race relations during this historical time period. It sends a bad message in my opinion. IN MY OPINION, I took it as they didn’t feel Black women were important and intentionally left them out, but felt it was important enough to put in a superfluous romance with an Italian woman. One is important ,but the other isn’t? I don’t accept that…that’s just how I feel and I stand by that.

  108. ALSO, people are arguing about “if Red Tails was supposed to just be a ‘combat movie’ then they should have left the romance scenes out..” Right. And then women as a whole would have outraged and complained that there were no women in the movie. -___-

    1. and people don’t have to agree with me but I personally am not accepting of some of the excuses people are giving. i think if they left black women out and every other war movie (with similar plot) can put women in…then black women were left out intentionally and that’s just how i feel.

  109. (1) This is not a documentary. It’s purpose is to highlight the contributions of the Tuskegee Airmen. In the process of telling that story, there was an interracial love story. That too was accurate because there were Black troops who served in WWII who fell in love and even married European women. It happened!

    (2) This story is the middle story of a trilogy that Lucas created about the TAs. The first film will highlight their training. The third film is supposed to depict their return to a society in the grips of Jim Crow segregation. If this movie does well, then we’ll see what Lucas does with the remaining episodes of the story.

    (3) I’m a Black woman who served sea service personnel and their families as reserve chaplain for 20 years. I know first hand the support Black military men receive from wives who tend the home fires and rear the children while they’re off saving the world. Yet I am clear that this movie was not about that and, therefore, feel that Black women should not feel slighted. EVERYTHING IS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT RACE OR GENDER DISCRIMINATION!

    THIS IS A GOOD MOVIE THAT SHEDS LIGHT ON THE OFTEN OVERLOOKED HEROISM AND PATRIOTISM OF BLACKS AMERICANS. I URGE EVERYONE TO GO SEE IT!

    1. thank you for your comment and opinion. I personally didn’t like the movie, love the Tuskegee airmen, but I didn’t like the representation in this movie overall. But thanks for your comment. not everyone is gonna agree.

  110. Mr. Rahotep , you are missing the point. The movies you listed, For Colored Girls,Precious, etc are negative depictions of Black men AND Black women – you’re gonna tell me that Monique’s role in Precious was positive?? The point is that whenever dysfunction, vulgarity, ugliness,or depression is on display, the bigots of Hollywood (both Black and white), fill the cast with plenty of Black women and Black men.

    But when beauty, love, intimacy, healthy relationships are showcased in movies with majority Black casts, Hollywood ALWAYS conveniently leaves out Black women, and replaces them with white or non-Black women.

    I mean it is mind-boggling that people have to keep explaining this point. This is why Hollywood can keep doing what i does – obviously we, Black people, are damn idiots!

    Yes, The Color Purple showed Black men and women in dysfunctional relationships. Precious – dysfunctional and ugly. For Colored Girls – dysfunctional, depressed. American Gangster – dysfunctional, with violent elimination of Black women used routinely throughout the film. Tower Heists – dysfunctional and old skool stereotypical. Don’t you get it??

    Black men are not the only ones portrayed poorly in any of the above movie s- in fact, it is Black women who bear the brunt of what these films are trying to promote – ugly, unattractive, unsupportive, depressed, abused, dispensable.

    On the other hand, when positive, healthy, supportive, caring, heroic, intelligent, non-criminal, non-ghetto relationships are showcased with Black leads or majority-Black casts, they ALWAYS REMOVE THE BLACK WOMAN. ALWAYS. You know this, I know this, everyone knows this.

    Dysfunction = Black man/Black woman together
    Healthy and Love = Black Man / White woman or non-Black woman

    This is what is pushed by bigots in the media. WHY. IS. THIS. SO. HARD.FOR.YOU.TO.SEE??
    .

  111. The post and the preceding comments are all thought-provoking. We enjoyed the film for what it was and also the fact that this Caucasian director stuck his neck out to self-fund a film with an all Black-male starring cast. Maybe in the next one, they’ll insert a Black female wife or girlfriend at home, and in the next “Help”, they’ll have a positive image of a Black male. In the meantime, if films can do well that encourage more DIVERSITY in the casts and encourage better images of Black people especially who historically have been portrayed via such limiting images in most studio films, it’s a victory. Here’s what a colleague wrote (an astute Black male director) on another forum that I felt was worth repeating:
    I went to the theater twice this weekend to support “Red Tails”. Unfortunately, not enough of our people and others went out to see the film. The sadness thing about it all is, “Red Tails” was released in 2,512 theaters across the US earning $19.1 million in it’s opening weekend. However, just 3 year prior Tyler Perry’s “Madea Goes to Jail” was released in 2,032 theaters and earned $41.0 million in it’s opening weekend. Whether “We” like it or not, our “Box Office Dollar VOTE” sends a painfully clear message to “Hollywood”. Black audiences at-large just are not interested in Positive Uplifting Images Of Ourselves. Instead we would rather spend our money to see our men, women and children depicted as “Tyler Perry-esque” caricature. Before we blame anyone for our portrayal, we must first look in the mirror, take personal responsibility and hold ourselves and others accountable for their actions or inaction. Remember, “Hollywood” is a business first and foremost, which translates to the color “they” are most bias towards is “GREEN”. Good business dicates investing in what is most profitable. If “Madea Goes To Jail” can do double the opening weekend box office number of “Red Tails”. Guess What Hollywood “The Business” Is Going To Make More Of…SMDH…!!!

  112. Why do we as black people always have to settle, Whatever massa do for us we ought to be happy…thats the mindset of some of our people. I saw the movie it was good,,,but not GREAT! I too was offended by the white love interest which I thought was irrelevant. Some have said “It wasn’t about a black woman”, well it wasn’t about a white woman either, but she was in it. This movie was about the T/A men life of combat, adversity, racism, being disrespected, etc. You see my people, they know how to keep us divided…just like during slavery…you had the house negros and the field negros. The house negros are the ones that say” just be happy massa is given us the crumbs off his table”, “don’t rock the boat”, “At least their doing something for us”, “Yall black folks always complaining and never satisfied”. and on and on. The field negros are the ones who will speak up and out against massa and his trickery, deceits, lies, seperation, control, divide and conquer methods, and much more. Can’t we see they don’t want us to come together and be united because if we do…we would be a strong and undefeatable nation and they know this. Their plan is to keep us divided at all cost…and DOING A DAMN GOOD JOB!

    1. “Why do we as black people always have to settle, Whatever massa do for us we ought to be happy…thats the mindset of some of our people. I saw the movie it was good,,,but not GREAT! I too was offended by the white love interest which I thought was irrelevant. Some have said “It wasn’t about a black woman”, well it wasn’t about a white woman either, but she was in it.”

      Good point.

    2. “Some have said “It wasn’t about a black woman”, well it wasn’t about a white woman either, but she was in it. ”

      HELLO!!!

  113. Before you give a dissertation on something you really should do your research. You came across uneducated. Your comments while they do have merit the deliver is not palatable. There are many African Americans that could have funded that movie. They just choose not to. You can only do but so much in 2 hours. This movie was written based on the interviews with those soldiers. If they are not speaking out against the movie you have no right to. If you are so upset than you raise the money do the research and make a film. The purpose of the movie was to bring to the forefront the sacrifice and the bravery of African Americans in World War II.

  114. proudchocolategirl,

    Really good blog! As you have stated, it is your opinion. Although I have not seen the movie, I did see an interview with George Lucas (it was on the Daily Show on Comedy Central), where he spoke very candidly about what it took for this film to be made.

    We are still fighting an uphill battle when it comes to quality films about our journey being made in Hollywood. I do agree with you that they could’ve at the very least had a picture of a mother, wife or sister in the film. In the interview with George Lucas, it was also mentioned that Red Tails is slated to be a trilogy, where the other two films (one of which will be a prequel and the other one a sequel) will go deeper into the family situations of the men involved, which must include black women in order to tell the story in its entirety.

    In looking at the scope of this film and this project, I don’t think it was a deliberate act to exclude black women from the project, but rather this film and its production will open the door for the discussion of female characters in the upcoming movies. If anything, your observation shows how much of the media is still controlled by white men, which are the same people the creators of the film have to go to in order to even get something like this made.

    Bless up.

  115. You know I do understand what you are saying…I just don’t understand why some of us always want to give these filmakers and producers an excuse or an outlet for their actions. Trust me they no exactly what they are doing, and as long as most of us keep defending them and making excuses for their behavior…they will continue to disrespect us as a people. SMH!!

  116. Black women had a movie already. “The Help”. Enough with the 1st black people movies already. It’s 2012, most young black people don’t even know what the NAACP is. It’s true. Sad but true.

  117. Hello,
    Let me start by saying your post was very interesting. But I do have to say that we will have to agree to disagree. I work in the film business and although I am not happy with black representation or the quantity (and quality) of “black films” I understand that there are many layers to that issue and that it is complicated.
    This film wasn’t about the wives, lovers,and mothers that supported these soldiers. It was about the soldiers that were risking their lives in Italy. We did not need to know about their spouses because that wasn’t the story that was being told. You brought up the HBO movie ‘The Tuskegee Airmen’ to support your point; if you recall that film didn’t show the spouses either…because it was a story about the war. As was the case with ‘Saving Private Ryan’. It was about the soldiers in Europe. The same goes for the various other war pictures that are put out for entertainment. Do you have an issue with the depiction of black soldiers in ‘A Soldier Story’…which was directed by a white man?
    I get the impression that you are not happy (and I’d say angry) with the depiction of black women on film. I’m curious, where you stand with a film such as “Something New” where the educated black woman is dating a white man? Also, I don’t think it is fair that you chastise George Lucas for wanting to tell a story that people continually refused to support FOR YEARS. He had to put up his own money to properly market the movie. Why??? Because he understood that this was a story that wasn’t told and was NEEDED to be told. If has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with him being a “white savior”.
    Black identity in film is difficult to navigate because we came from negative depictions and is slowly making progress, but I think you need to relax, and choose your battles. Did you have issues with ‘Glory’ because the leader of the regiment was white, or because we didn’t see the depiction of black spouses in that film either? Did you have issue with ‘Miracle At St. Anna’ as well? Where do you draw your line?
    You may not be aware, but it is IMMENSELY difficult to get a film funded, and sadly the black power players in Hollywood aren’t necessarily doing their part. One reason is because there aren’t many to go around.
    I wasn’t totally happy with the film myself, but I understand that this film wasn’t being made 10 years ago. I’m glad that it was, because there were so many Asian, Latino, Native American, and Afro- American soldiers that fought in WW II that our generation need to be aware of what they did for freedom, and their people. Furthermore…yes there were women that were in the war…BUT these films are about the soldiers that were in combat. The soldiers in Normandy, North Africa, Iwo Jima, Saipan, Germany, and at sea.
    If also mention that films depict negative depictions of black women. What is your response to the many that do? Also, where do you stand with the negative subtext and symbolism that lies in other black films (that we all are guilty of seeing….including Tyler Perry’s)?
    I could go on and on in response to your blog. I just hope the next time you want to express your point, please DO NOT make so many broad statements. Also take a moment and look at it from another angle before making such polarizing statements. This movie could have easily not been done AT ALL. Would you have been happier with that instead? Perhaps you should look at the positive and not necessarily put a spotlight on the negative. Thank you.

  118. This is a wonderful blog.
    I did see Red Tails and feel that by the movie not having references to wives, mothers, sisters and loved ones from home sent a hidden message that these proud alpha-men except for one, enjoyed the company of other males. As Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing explains, we are now in the refinement stages of racism-white supremacy. The promotion of homosexuality and lack of unity between Black men and women throughout all media is pivital to futher population tailoring of our race.

    I listen to Dr. Welsing and other scholars on The C.O.W.S on Talkshoe.com and to Dr. Neely Fuller jr on his program called THE COMPENSATORY CONCEPT on TalktainmentRadio.com. Listening to these programs has helped me to understand how the global system of Racism operates.

    Keep up the good work with this magnificent blog. Amari

  119. No one censors black artistic creativity more than…black people. Doesn’t matter if it’s music, television, film, stage, writing or poetry. If the attempt isn’t made to appease the sensitivities of what it is to be “black” or to not offend our sensitive sensibilities then what ever the item is, it will be picked apart until it falls apart. From the forever feeling victimized sisters to the christian base, the conscious community who cannot enjoy anything that’s not blacker than tar. The first thing we’re taught as filmmakers is to suspend disbelief. Anything your imagination can muster goes on the page. Not black filmmakers, though. We’re burdoned down with taking every black from every walk of life on stage with us, on set, in the recording booth and in front of the typewriter. But I ask: where do we draw the line between “keeping it real” and letting loose unhinged creativity and talent? This is why we’re put into a “black” box in entertainment and we’re looked at strangely if we show up in a rock band, authoring a Lord of The Rings type fantasy noval or in my case, writing a sci-fi space screenplay and being taken seriously. Social responsibility is important. I take pride in never having a one dimenional, stereotypical black character. Even a heroin addict character will be humanized and have dignity but when it comes to Red Tails and the complaints I’m seeing from women is a blanketed “ain’t no sisters in it” just sparks of pettiness because like I said in previously: Hollywood finally put big dough into a film telling the story of something great YOUR men did. Put your emotions in check for the greater goid and embrace it so that the many black film students throughout this country doesn’t have to be handcuffed to the Tyler Perry mode of low budget film so their multi faceted stories can get greenlit in the future. My film instructor has a script on Rosa Parks collecting dust. If the big time biopic of the Tuskegee Airman can be bankable, then so can one one Parks then who knows? Shirley Chism, Coretta King and even Harriet Tubman can be done. That’s the test being given here.

  120. Black people, get a grip! I disagree with this article. True, Black women played an important role in supporting their loved ones who went to war, but we need not be slighted because we weren’t portrayed in the movie… it was unnecessary to the plot. And I think the love interest being an Italian (non-English speaking) woman was beautiful!!! Read Song of Solomon in the Bible people…its all about Ebony and Ivory love!!!

    1. okay…but was it necessary to have an italian romance in the plot? If black women were unnecessary despite their crucial role and contributions, what made the Italian romance necessary?

      1. Thank you Kamilah, you are a beautiful woman!!!! And you don’t need a movie to validate your beauty and that is awesome….I just wish others would follow suit.

  121. Excellent commentary. I posted all weekend comments about the lack of African American women in the film. There were African American women who served overseas in World War II in both in military and civilian capacities. Major CHARITY ADAMS and the 800 women of the Central Postal Directory Battalion were the ONLY unit of African American women military women overseas. They were responsible for the distribution of ALL of the mail for those serving in Europe. When the arrived there was a million pieces of mail backlog. The SISTERS worked seven days a week in three eight hour shifts. The backlog was abolished. You can see historical footage of these SISTERS by entering Major CHARITY ADAMS on YOU TUBE and or FACE BOOK. MAJOR ADAMS has written an autobiography and there is a book about the 6888th titled To Serve My Country, To Serve My Race The Story of the Only African American WACs Stationed Overseas during World War II. Both of these books are available on AMAZON.COM or through other booksellers. Please share this information with others. THANK YOU ps. Did you know that there was ONE Tuskegee Airmen ? That’s right Mildred Hemmon Carter, was the first African American women pilot in the state of Alabama. Both her and husband were Tuskegee Airmen. Mrs. Carter died on October 21, 2011. Her husband Herbert Carter is 94 years old. There were also Haitian Tuskegee Airmen. Haiti sent some of the soldiers over to be trained as pilots . The missing pages of U.S.History . We must learn OUR HISTORY and not just in February.

    1. Maybe one day someone will make a movie about those women and accurately portray their roll as heroin’s during the war and then hopefully black men won’t bash the story for it’s lack of black men and just appreciate the historical value of the message and lesson.

  122. Correction: I was meaning to say that there was ONE WOMAN Tuskegee Airmen. Check CNN.com or Face Book for a picture of Mrs. Mildred Hemmon Carter.

  123. This whole article is petty and makes you all sound like bitter bitches…The Italian love interest really had no place in the movie and having a black women wouldn’t have added to the historical accuracy of the film either. THERE WERE NO TUSKEGEE AIR WOMEN!!!! That is just how things were at the time, get over it.
    The message of the movie was about the courage of those men, not about how to make some bitter low self esteem broads feel better about themselves. Get a clue!!!!!

      1. If the scene with the Italian woman were not in there and if the scene with the black woman weren’t cut out, I wouldn’t even be in this discussion. I’m all for freedom of speech but I resent being called a bitch because I am speaking from a reaction about how I saw the film. I supported the film, interviewed the actors for my show and encouraged people to see it. It has its merits, and its faults. I want George to get paid back but I also wanted to love it and it is hard to when I feel the fix is in. Watch an authentic airman speak of his experience and he talks about feeling the payers of his mother and Lena Horne coming to visit. Do not tell me one black woman could not have been in the story. There was no law that it had to be set in Italy, (none) but even so, there was a Jazz singer cast and this man talks about the USO visits. You name calling may be showing your true colors. http://youtu.be/KO7ZTNSGtFw

      2. Sharon never flew outside of Tuskegee, yes she was the lone women Airmen (lol @ lone woman Airmen) and should be commended for it and one day I am certain her story will be told, but she never left home base. The movie did not show ANY of the pilots (Male or Female) who never left base in Tuskegee, only the ones who were close to the front lines in Italy.

    1. Hi Ben, me again. My last reply went to the wrong person, but it is you I want to make sure gets this, since I am still reeling from you calling me out my name. (Well, you referred to all of us who disagreed with you as bitches.)

      This article makes my point. (Please see link below). There were a zillion ways the story could have been told. I never wanted the brothers to be upstaged by women at home, and I have supported this movie so I feel I can have and should express my opinion. PLEASE, read this article from Wave Newspapers. It is NOT far fetched to know that African American women were part of the mix. Lucas did not need to make movies about all the storylines, nor did he have to make one in Italy. Lena Horne came to entertain the troops, and there were others. But this story at this link vindicated the feeling I (and I am only speaking for myself) had when walking away from this movie. I am glad this blogger who provided this forum put it in words.

      http://www.wavenewspapers.com/news/Tuskegees-historic-love-story-sprang-from-a-midair-courtship-137915158.html

      Lastly, brothers had relationships in Korea, the Philippines and wherever the were stationed with women of the land so it is not far fetched and I hear it is a true story that this Italian woman and a TA got together. But the vast majority had ties and were supported by African American Wives, Mothers, sisters and daughters. To cut the one scene out with Jennifer Sullivan and leave that one is odd at best.

  124. I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion and points you made in this blog post. So often because the white media doesn’t want to portray us as people capable of normal, productive and loving relationships. For most of our time in America we have been defined by others and not by ourselves. But even our own people have given us the proverbial black eye for the sake of a laugh by stereotyping us in movies and in the media. We have talented writers, actors, and producer/directors and they use their material as an opportunity to disrespect our men, women, and our personal relationships and religious beliefs. So our people must begin to see us as we truly are, a people of a rich and proud heritage who are more than buffoons doing low grade comedy, being thugs in the streets, unfit mothers and deadbeat dads. We are innovators in science, arts, sports, entertainment, politics and religion. Let us all strive to lifting ALL of our people up and let us not tear ourselves down so we can make a dollar.

      1. This is only a movie. Movies are here for our entertainment. If you don’t like them don’t watch them. My wife and I watched the Help together. I hope it wins an Oscar. She also watches movies i go to sleep on. The movie Tuskegee Airmen with Fishburn was entertaining and a little historical. You want change? Make our youth aware that we as a people lived before hip hop.

  125. Re: Ben Hurrington:”Maybe one day they will make a movie about black women in world war 2?

    Some thought making the movie ” Women of Troy ” was a good idea.That movie bombed! Some thought the “WNBA” was a good idea! Nobody watches it! Frankly the italian women in Redtails was pretty.was too skinny.If you going to be skinny.At least be a sexy B_t_H! I feel the relationship with the italian women was arkward,being that she could not speak English.Megan Good would be pefect.She fits that 1940’s look.And she looks like a doll.She could be made to look like a twenty something love interest.But quite frankly i find it funny that the vast majority of black women i haved dated,or even my mother would not dare pay to see a action movie,or war movie.And yet when redtails came out.They went to go see,and was disappointed because no black women were represented in this movie flick.Hello! The vast majority of war movies,or war senerios.The women are raped and killed,and the children are killed also.Wasn’t italy the enemy in world war 2? It’s funny that black women are the least nerdy people about things being accurate in life or movies.How many times do you black beg your black girlfriend to see the lastest action- war flick,and she says no way,or go with your friends,or we are going to see the chick flick! But you finally get her to an war movie redtails! and she Bi_ches she not represented! Redtails is basically george lucas star wars.Attack of the clones.Also filmed in parts of italy.Which also bored me to death.I dont go to war movies to see a love story with white or black women.I was far more interested in the first jet fighter in war the Germens made.and the pride that one of our black airmen shot it out of the sky with a prop fighter.No offense to the black women,or women in general.To me women are the most beautiful thing you look at with your eye on the planet.But i dont want to see a women in my War flick! i want to see things shot up,and blown to pieces! Starzs has a program on cable called Spartacus, I dont see any of your women on this blog complaining that their are not any black women slaves being sold for sex toys for Gladiators! It’s very apparent this blog is just hating on the italian women in redtails. BTW after Redtails Black women, What the next war movie you are going to see? (sarcasim!)

      1. So do I (watch action movies). Top Gun had a love interest. Would you expect to see Tom Cruise with Megan Good? No, he was with Blondie. (Good choice of Megan, by the way for casting). And wasn’t Princess Leia in Star Wars? (I could be wrong.) Oh, and I watch the WNBA. Just sayin’. And I have done a documentary and am working on another. So I believe in making movies and not just talking.

  126. (sigh) post & comments like this KILL ME! I am a proud HBCU graduate from Howard University, I am also a film maker & currently work in the tv/film/commercial world. I am also woman & have male family members who served in the military both during & after WWII. And I actually saw the movie so I think that gives me enough validity to make this comment: STOP always making something out of NOTHING! There was only one female role showcased in this movie would it have been nice to see a black woman showcased in the movie? Of course,, BUT the movie never showed any of the soldiers home life it all took place overseas and the fact is showing a black woman in Italy would have been unrealistic. Could George Lucas have showed life at home for the soldiers? Sure, but were you going to put up the extra money necessary to do that? It costs multi millions of dollars to make films & everytime you are at another location or try to tell a story from a new place, that’s MORE money. Fact is, he didn’t have to do this movie at all, he doesn’t need the money, & he risked losing his own money to do it. There are so many other things that were historically missed besides black wives, mothers, & daughters at home. You are complaining about a minute detail. This is a movie, not a documentary & unfortunately whenever you do a movie on based upon real events or people some (often times LOTS) of important details are left out. To call the movie racist is foolish, it did not portray African Americans negatively in anyway. Also a white man can not tell a black mans story the way a black man can and it is completely unfair to expect him too because his experiences are different and the things he values are different all he can do is his best to repeat what he’s been told. As black people we do need to start telling our own stories more & stop complaining about all the negative images if we aren’t make active changes to create positive ones. I agree there are a lot of one-sided images of black people in the media but some of thes images are we are creating ourselves, some of the movies you named are black written, directed, & produced. So you can’t call it racist. One of my goals as a woman media is to create fresh, unique, positive images of those “minorities” and/or people who are often only seen in one way. I agree balance is needed in the media not just with blacks but others as well. So my suggestion to you is either learn how to write a script or find a scriptwriter & tell the stories the way you want them told & produce them. And stop attacking those who are producing b/c the truth is their stories do in fact represent someone’s life. Think of it this way, you attack George Lucas, Tyler perry, and whoever else. Before you know it, there will be no black faces in the media & no stories told b/c people will realized their damned if they do, & damned if they don’t. The time you spend complaining is time you could be spending creating & writing your story the way you want. Everything done isn’t racist or necessarily done with malice people, something are done out of ignorance (or lack of knowing better) and very good intentions. Then only way to see change is to do it yourself. With that said I love you all black, white, yellow, purple, male, female, racist, non racist we are all imperfectly human in our own way & I love it b/c life would be boring if we were all the same :)

    1. thanks for your comment. there was more than one white woman in the film, the mother and several other women were shown. they didn’t have ot show the soldiers home life to put a Black woman in, they could have shown a scene of a pilot talking about a wife and holding up her picture of mentioning how much he loved her, it’s not difficult. They chose not to put Black women in intentionally and there is a reason they did it. I respect your opinion, but with all due respect…I don’t believe it’s making “something out of nothing.” I can voice my opinion (not complaining) about anything I want. Thanks

    2. Trina, your post made so much sense. More than many posts I’ve read in the long list of replies. Money is so important in this discussion. Peanut says they could have shown the airmen holding up pictures of their wives and children, but that wouldn’t have solved the problem. There would be even more complaints that black women were only shown in pictures. It’s like you said, “Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” Why can’t we just appreciate the film for what it was? I hear what Peanut is saying. Ok, no black women. But, at what point can we just appreciate it? I hope no one ever intends to learn a full history lesson by going to see an action movie. That’s ridiculous. And, as I said in my earlier post, the Tuskegee Airmen are so proud of this movie. They LOVE the fact that someone took the time to tell their story. They LOVE the outcome. When we had the Red Tails celebratory weekend at Tuskegee University, you should have seen the airmen and the cast members who were so thrilled. It was like they were finally being heralded as the heroes they are. To have this momentous occasion overshadowed by negative comments and complaints that black women weren’t featured is really sad. The airmen actually had creative input into the film, so maybe Peanut should blame the airmen themselves for not stressing that black women be included (another ridiculous thing to do).

      1. You’re making a claim based on the assumptions that I (or black women who feel similarly) wouldn’t be happy if they included the pictures, but the bottom line is they didn’t include pictures period or any significant reference to the contribution of the Black women who supported them. There is no way you can prove how someone would or would not feel had they included a reference to the Black women who supported this film. As I said it’s nice that (some) of the Tuskegee airmen enjoyed the film. But as I said I can pay my respects to the airmen w/out and I don’t need to wait for a white producer to make a warped film to do that. I can criticize the film and still respect the Tuskegee airmen, I knew about them long before the film and I’ll continue to pay my respects to them after. But bottom line is, the film was weak (in my opinion) and that’s not going to change. I’m not going to change the way I feel and I’m not going to stop talking about how I feel to appease others. Also, I don’t have to blame the airmen for anything, they didn’t make the film at the end of the day. They may have given “some input,” (supposedly) but the bottom line is the writers were the ones who changed everything and left the Black women out and by the way there are scholars who are criticizing the film. It’s not just random people on the internet. Get used to the idea that not everyone is going to like everything.

  127. Also stop supporting stuff & people just because it’s “black” my people, support who & what you like & believe. Going for whatever is black is simply ignorant & foolish. I know so many people who voted for Obama & knew NOTHING about his policies or beliefs. That’s FOOLISH!!!!!

      1. This is just a suggestion. I know you’ve seen other documentaries, but in case you haven’t seen Double Victory, please do so. It’s very enlightening.

  128. This is my last comment on this. From the many comments of complaints from women in this blog about Red Tails, I’ve tried to get a concensus of the beef but I’m left confused. Is the problem that there were no black women in this flick or was it that one of the brothers got with a white woman? In the end I choose the latter knowing the pettiness of most american black women. All today’s woman is concerned with is having her emotional gratification. Narry a black woman’s eyebrow is raised when a cracker guy runs to the rescue and saves a black chick’s heart in cinema and t.v. shows. You’ve proven once again to be a slave to your emotions, ignoring logic and reason. From your Mary J, Beyonce, J. Hud songs to your T. Perry flicks, you’ve bought the illusion that you’re a wounded, brittle creature that gets her wants and needs over all else while wearing that all true black woman mask of independence. Let me tell y’all something. Your clueless to the fact that word “independence” has been warped by being pimped to y’all that it has come to mean seperate from your men. By the way. The singers I mentioned whose songs “give you strenght”, predominately written by men and fed to y’all by white owned record labels. This might sound like I’m making a huge deal off of disencion of a movie but the selfish, pettiness displayed by haters of this film is a microcosm of the state of black relations as a whole.

  129. Yawn. Go watch The Game or something from Tyler Perry, where every black man is made to look like a dog or something less-than-honorable and leave this alone. This shit has to balance out somehow.

    I’d love to see more black women in Red Tails (e.g. Lena Horne and the USO incident) but I’m also not so disappointed that they didn’t do this in the first of THREE movies about the Tuskegee Airmen.

  130. @Isidra, I didn’t call anyone anything…just stated what some of you sound like in your complaints about the movie. Now if you think you fit that then that is a personal problem, otherwise it doesn’t apply to you or anyone else.

  131. To G rap,
    The film Red Tails has several messages that support white supremacy and encourage the further seperation of Black male and female relationships.

    G rap, if you want to know who the Real Haters are read:

    The life of Sir Francis Galton: From African Exploration to the Birth of Eugenics by Nicholas Wright Gillham.

    Two Faced Racism: Whites in The Backstage and Front Stage by Dr. Leslie Picca and Dr. Joe Feagin.

    At The End of the Dark Street: Black Women, Rape and Resistance by Danielle L. Mc Guire.

    The White Architects of Black Education by Dr. William Watkins

    Racial Matters: The FBI’s Secret File on Black America by Kenneth O’Reilly

    The Invisible Jim Crow by Michael Tillotson, released March 2011.

    Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present by Harriet A. Washington

    Youtube: Dr Umar Abdula Johnson, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing.

    G rap, We need more understanding of the system that we live in. Amari

  132. This article is ignorant!! What you obviously didn’t research is how hard George Lucas worked at even getting an all black cast movie about our nations history out in theatres. He was told by hollywood that “we dont know how to market a movie like this” MEANING the all black cast. Funders were not willing to take the risk. George Lucas put about $100 Million of his own money on the line to get this movie made. He has opened doors for future black filmmakers and for the opportunity for more movies like this to be made. As a writer, you need to do a little more research…rather than making it about you..BAD ARTICLE!! Regarding the White Woman, this was a TRUE story and that is what happened with one of the single black men in the Tuskegee training program. They kept the movie focused on location and kept it on the facts of the WAR. Adding a Black woman just for the sake of it would have changed the truth of the story. It wasn’t about each men’s family situation or who they had supporting them from home, that would be a whole different type of movie. He wanted to get the story out about these Heroes because they were not acknowledged how they should have been because of their skin color. Stop thinking about YOUR story and re-think George Lucas’s vision and dedication…and appreciate it for what it really is..

      1. RESEARCH the making of the movie and George Lucas’s interviews, I think you will learn something.

        Your welcome!

      2. I’ve done plenty. Have you even researched the comments and reactions from the original Tuskegee Airmen who have recently seen the movie ‘Red Tails’? Do you even know that George Lucas had an early Screening of the movie where he invited all the Tuskegee Airmen still living and HONORED them?They were touched and honored that their story was told. Go to the link below are read some of their comments… But maybe your so narrow minded you dont care what the original Tuskegee Airmen have to say about the movie cause YOU know what was missing… It’s the story of the difference they provided to the War… so please give up the “poor black woman” cry when it comes to THIS movie…your completely wrong.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21/tuskegee-airmen-red-tails-los-angeles_n_1212214.html

      3. Love your one-liner responses.. The usual scenario when someone has no worthwhile response.. If you really have done the research and read those responses from the ACTUAL TUSKEGEE Airmen and still have your closed minded views, then I feel sorry for you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and see life and the advancement of the Black community for what it is..the right steps in the right direction and support that.. Its pretty sad when a black woman can talk negative about what George Lucas has accomplished for the Black community in doing this film..really sad.

        No need to reply.

      4. if it makes you feel better to THINK you have a “worthwhile” response okay…generally I don’t like to respond to things that I feel are not “worth- while,” but you can keep going if you want. If you actually read (and took the time to try and understand) the post or comments, you’d see that your line of thought has been addressed already. But just to humor you. Hattie Mcdaniel received accolades for being the first black woman to receive an Oscar for best supporting actress for the role of “mammy” in gone with the wind. I can be happy for her accomplishment and still take issue with the fact that she portrayed a mammy (a stereotype). Get it? I can honor Tuskegee airmen with or without George Lucas. I don’t need to wait for a warped and inaccurate representation from white producer to pay my respects to them…

      5. and by the way, there are plenty of African-Americans who have produced independent films that honor historical black figures, it’s odd that in general the so-called “Black community,” will not run to support the independent Black film makers, but George Lucas…gets a grand reception. I find that interesting.

  133. very interesting blog entry

    *first things first, I think a good new tradition would be “flick…..then…doc”

    when a film opens that is based on history, we should go see it on Friday..and then watch a good documentary about the same event,person,group the following Saturday

    with itunes, and netflix…etc..it is very easy to do

    can compare and contrast the doc. and the hollywood flick

    entertainment and then information.

    I think this is a PRACTICAL way of enjoying the vision of the film maker and placing that in context of something resembling the TRUE story.

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    blogs/sites comments’ sections that aren’t moderated are a waste of time. still hard to beleive that in 2012 that some adults can’t commuicate without acting like children. read every single comment and embarrassed by the level that some operate on….even involving an interesting topic.

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    person’s background will always shape their viewpoint, so even though we are all of African ancestry…film or tv depiction of gender, regional, ethnic,nationality, or even sexual orientation can and will ilicit different reactions.

    I’m not a Black woman, so I won’t be presumptive enough to tell one that her reaction to the depiction of Black women in this film is right or wrong.

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    Conspiracy theorists….go sit down somewhere. A person’s FAMILY and environment does more to shape their views/codes than the cumulative effect of what pop culture “tells/shows” them from the age of 2-18. We aren’t hatched from eggs.

    People don’t buy books, don’t read books to their children, don’t take them to FREE libaries and museums to learn ANYTHING about themselves and with a straight face hear and repeat grand conspiracy theories about masons/boogeyman/satanists and/ or white propaganda.

    STOP IT!!!!! if the shoes fits….lace it up and walk with it.

    1. Propaganda is real dumba ass, it certainly worked for the Nazis in Germany, to the detriment of everyone they decimated. Since you’re not Black, shut the eff up, and sit down, You know nothing about us. If George Lucas can make movies like Star Wars and remeber to put aliens and people that looklike fish in it, then he sure as hell can remeber Black women. And I notice he sure made a point in evrey single Starw ars movie ever made to keep white men and women together at all times, including having a white woman as a main character (princess leiah). so cut the crap.

  134. As far as people giving lucas the grand treatment, this I can disagree with.

    Red Tails ads aired during all the major sporting events I’ve watched in the last 3 weeks…..

    there was actually a REDTAILS preview channel on my satellite system for a week..24/7….nothing but same 2-3 hour BTS of the film…

    when I saw so many cast members from the Wire in this film….I started singing

    “You gotta keep the Nazis….way down in the hole……way down in the hole”

    people give this film more play than some of the indie Black films because it got a TREMENDOUS promotional push…

      1. and so for the black film makers who don’t have the privilege of having a name and distribution rights…what does that mean for their films?

  135. Thank You George Lucas for making a movie with Strong Positive Black Male Roles! I choose to look beyond the pettynes and towards the POSITIVITY! Point Blank!

  136. and so for the black film makers who don’t have the privilege of having a name and distribution rights…what does that mean for their films?

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    Just responding and clarifying why more people know about and will see this film than similarly themed works by indie and or Black film makers.

    Reality is reality. I happen to live in area where it’s not difficult to catch smaller budget film actually on the big screen. Most indies get screened..open limited release or run at film festivals in metro NYC area.
    Very convenient and easy for me to catch these films. Not the case for everybody.

    Lucas’ money and pull gives his film much more visibility than other films covering the same material or themes.
    It doesn’t make his release any more important than any one else’s, but answering your question truthfully…..much more people are aware of Red Tails and are able to conveniently see it.

    Small budget film makers, take page from Van Peebles, Spike, Robert Townsend or even Nollywood..and get your weight up..and promote your movie to the PEOPLE….not the film festival crowd, not the “critics” but ….the PEOPLE.

  137. Jeez why don’t you make your own movie about the women who were married to the Tuskeegee airmen then? I don’t see hardly any women in ANY war movies and I think it’s pretty obvious why. Lucas’ GF is Black, so I doubt it was a slight. There has always been an imbalance in Hollywood as it is a White dominated industry with and the people who fund, distribute, promote are all Whites. It is what it is; if you feel that passionately against it GET INTO THE MOVIE GAME & TRY TO CHANGE IT FROM THE INSIDE.

    1. why don’t people make their own jobs, government and criminal justice system instead of “complaining” about it? when you don’t like something ,it’s normal to critique it to make it better…get it? and who cares what color Lucas’ girlfriend is

      1. WHAT?!?!?!! More people SHOULD be making their own jobs like they did before the industrial revolution. If you are waiting around for someone to GIVE you a job you are bound to do alot of starving in the meantime. People need to get out of the mentality that success will only come by way of opportunity given to you by someone else. As for making your own governments & law enforcement that just ridiculous; again if more people who feel that they are not being represented right got into those games they could begin changing things from the inside. From what I hear there are supposed to be 2 more installments of RED TAILS and i’m sure one of those will feature the men coming home so maybe you wanna try out for one of the roles of wifey so you can correctly represent what you feel is missing?

  138. I would like to learn more about Black Independent Films. The last one that I saw was “Hidden Colors” and it was phenominal. I watched it several times myself and had two hidden Colors dinner parties with discussion groups following the movie. I heard that “Dark Skin” is a very good Independent Movie as well.

    Can anyone please share a list of Independent Black Films with me or a source as to where to find them? Thanks, Amari

  139. Honestly what were they going to show, a sister sending a care package, these guys were stationed in Italy. It was an action movie, and there was only one love interest. I know what your saying about black women playing bullshit roles, I agree; but having scenes about there wives back home writing letter to them? I honestly would have not cared if that part was in there or not.

  140. Thank you so much for sharing your insight. In addition to the “conspicuous absence” of sistas, as you so accurately described, I was totally disappointed with the poor directing and the lack of depth in the characters, which were more like robots. For me, this movie was a waste of my money. I liked and enjoyed The Tuskegee Airmen (1995/TV) starring Lawrence Fishburne, Courtney Vance, Andrea Braugher, and other stellar actors, better. The one female was Vivica A Fox.

    Like your Great Uncle, when my step father returned from WWII, he talked about how Italians and Germans asked them if they had tails and that White – American- soldiers would yell “hey boy (or the n-word), show us your tail!”, which is why the title, Red Tails, is disturbing, subliminally. It was clear that the “tail” was about back of the plane, but it still bothered me.

    The movie also lacked historical substance. There was no clear reference to how the Tuskegee Airmen came to exist and the brutal challenges they had to confront. Degrading comments by Whites were softened and camouflaged with long minutes of special effects air attacks and counter attacks, and the Black male pining over and slobbing down the white female. There is a line where one of the officers give a pep talk to the Tuskegee Airmen to convince them to be backup for the White bombers: You’ll be “bringing the bombers back to their families”. Yet, there’s only one exception where a Black airmen’s family was mentioned, which was when an airman was shot down behind German lines and captured. Even then, only the woman’ name were mentioned, and not accompanied with a photo. One audience member (a male) loudly commented for all around him to hear, “he’s (the character romancing the white woman), going to get f***ed up and nobody’s goin’ to feel sorry for his sorry ass.” I, and some audience members, agreed.

    In my opinion, the absence of Black women and emphasis on a Black male preferring to express love to a White woman in this movie was by design. A White movie producer told Henry Gates in an interview in the PBS program, “Los Angeles: Black Hollywood,” that “Nobody wants to see two Black people kissing.” In over 90 percent of media – majority TV programs (drama or comedy), commercials, news programs, even PBS programs – the ratio for seeing Black couples giving attention to and loving each other is less than .01 percent compared to white-on-white couples, or other ethnic groups.

    Black-on-Black love is and always has been under attack since the idea to kidnap a people from their homeland and enslave them first entered the minds of Europeans. This racial genocide and divide and conquer continues today; globally. The recent sociological shift from Whites lynching Black men for even the perception that a Black man LOOKED at a white woman (i.e. Emmett Till) to mating White women with Black males in media, and by extension, real life, stems, partly, from racial economics. Coupling Black male with White females is “how the white man gets his money back,” said the late comedian, Bernie Mac. Bernie had a point. Through media and other tactics, White businessmen pimp their women, especially to wealthy or near wealthy black males, so that the money the Black males earn circulates back into the White community. Economics. Business as usual.

    As Black people, too few of us, speak up for and support and advocate for sistas in movies and on television. When Eriq LaSalle spoke up for Black women as a love interest, his contract with the TV hospital drama, ER, was not renewed. This sent a message to other actors, including Danzel Washington, and Will Smith, who, to my knowledge, do not speak out for sista inclusion.

    Frankly, I won’t encourage anyone in my family or church to spend their money on this movie. I feel it sends all the wrong messages, especially to Black male and female children. It says to little Black boys that Black females are not worthy of their love, and to little Black girls that they aren’t worthy to be loved by a male of their own race.

  141. auset, your commentary was brilliant !!!!

    Has anybody seen the movie “Maby God is Ill” regarding the wide scale mental and physical torture of children today in the so called New South Africa??

  142. Thank you so much for sharing your insight. In addition to the “conspicuous absence” of sistas, as you so accurately described, I was totally disappointed with the poor directing and the lack of depth in the characters, which were more like robots. For me, this movie was a waste of my money. I liked and enjoyed The Tuskegee Airmen (1995/TV) starring Lawrence Fishburne, Courtney Vance, Andrea Braugher, and other stellar actors, better. The one female was Vivica A Fox.

    Like your Great Uncle, when my step father returned from WWII, he talked about how Italians and Germans asked them if they had tails and that White – American- soldiers would yell “hey boy (or the n-word), show us your tail!”, which is why the title, Red Tails, is disturbing, subliminally. It was clear that the “tail” was about back of the plane, but it still bothered me.

    The movie also lacked historical substance. There was no clear reference to how the Tuskegee Airmen came to exist and the brutal challenges they had to confront. Degrading comments by Whites were softened and camouflaged with long minutes of special effects air attacks and counter attacks, and the Black male pining over and slobbing down the white female. There is a line where one of the officers gives a pep talk to the Tuskegee Airmen to convince them to be backup for the White bombers: You’ll be “bringing the bombers back to their families”. Yet, there’s only one exception where a Black airmen’s family was mentioned, which was when an airman was shot down behind German lines and captured. Even then, only the woman’ name were mentioned, and not accompanied with a photo. One audience member (a male) loudly commented for all around him to hear, “he’s (the character romancing the white woman), going to get f***ed up and nobody’s goin’ to feel sorry for his sorry ass.” I, and some audience members, agreed.

    In my opinion, the absence of Black women and emphasis on a Black male preferring to express love to a White woman in this movie was by design. A White movie producer told Henry Gates in an interview in the PBS program, “Los Angeles: Black Hollywood,” that “Nobody wants to see two Black people kissing.” In over 90 percent of media – majority TV programs (drama or comedy), commercials, news programs, even PBS programs – the ratio for seeing Black couples giving attention to and loving each other is less than .01 percent compared to white-on-white couples, or other ethnic groups.

    Black-on-Black love is and always has been under attack since the idea to kidnap a people from their homeland and enslave them first entered the minds of Europeans. This racial genocide and divide and conquer continues today; globally. The recent sociological shift from Whites lynching Black men for even the perception that a Black man LOOKED at a white woman (i.e. Emmett Till) to mating White women with Black males in media (and vice versa), and by extension, real life, stems, partly, from racial economics. Coupling Black male with White females is “how the white man gets his money back,” said the late comedian, Bernie Mac. Bernie had a point. Through media and other tactics, White businessmen pimp their women, especially to wealthy or near wealthy black males, so that the money the Black males earn circulates back into the White community. Economics. Business as usual.

    As Black people, too many of us, especially Black women, speak up for and support and advocate for sistas in movies and on television. When Eriq LaSalle spoke up for Black women as a love interest, his contract with the TV hospital drama, ER, was not renewed. This sent a message to other actors, including Danzel Washington, and Will Smith (and I love the brothers) to not speak out for sista inclusion.

    1. It’s obvious that there is a subgroup of black women who do nothing but sit around and look for things to both and whine about. I saw the movie and loved it and to think that some of you want to take one of the few movies made about us where we’re not portrayed as the scum of the Earth and make it a black female problem is downright sickening. While you,re sitting around being permanent victims, I’m going to celebrate the heroes among us.

      1. good, i didn’t like the movie for all the reasons already stated. i celebrated the heroes among us way before George Lucas ever made a remake movie and I will be celebrating long after.

    2. You are so on point Auset the positive upstanding role for Black women has been eradicated so much that now there is no demand to have a Black woman aside her Black man which is only natural. Sistas roles are being given to any type of non Black woman there is. Just because you are not a white female does not automatically qualify you to be a Sista. It is disgusting that all these major Black women roles that do demand Real respect are given to all females that are non- black, hispanic, etc. When you study the true etymology of the word hispanic or latina it leads to being european. As much as I respect Don Cheadle as a great actor I despise that he accepted a non black female to play his girlfriend in the movie traitor. Here he is playing a Black African in Africa with the non black girlfriend from Chicago? One of the states with the most highest population of black people. Total disrespect for Sistas. In a war movies or corrupt CIA movies the white mans white woman never dies. But the this one time a movie do have an African Sista, she gets blown to pieces, Safe House with Denzel Washignton. And the scene was soooo Brutal. It’s extremely disturbing. I stopped spending my money to support movies that don’t support us. I haven’t been to the movies in years. And I don’t miss it. In the Help we are maids and getting awards for it. At this day and age. Viola Davis is a great actress who plays serious roles, deserving of an Oscar. But she gets down graded to play a maid and win an Oscar. Very disturbing. White females should be getting major roles and winning Oscars as prostitutes. Not slander but truth who are the top madams? Doesn’t shed them in a good light check their history. That’s ancient. Nothing new

  143. Thank you for such an eloquent and insightful blog! I have yet to see ‘Red Tails’… though, I am not sure it airs here in Australia… from what I’ve read…am not sure if that’s a good or bad thing :/
    However, I wait with hopeful anticipation for the day some screenwriter, director and/or producer, not only with a vision but more importantly, with a heart, gives a true and faithful depiction of the many black men and women, who, through adversity, managed to love, and who fought for their right to love, and their right to live.Let not their struggle be in vain…I hope to have the good fortune to live and see such a film.

  144. Teach. And Razor, where would black women be? We were singing and entertaining the troops, mechanics. There was a role written, cast and shot for a back woman performer but she was cut out of the script. And Peanut, the Tuskegee Airmen version that was made for cable was AWESOME and it told the entire story. And black women were in it! Lawrence Fishburne and others–some of them the same cast members– rocked that one.

  145. You know what? I agree with you. If only you could go further and put this movie into the broader context of films and IR depictions. If you observe critically and without bias, most onscreen IR depictions are actually between a black WOMAN and a white MAN, and increasingly so. To acknowledge this little known fact would make your blog unique from all the other baseless bw blogs that pull things out of thin air. Not only that, but you would no longer have to ask ‘why’ and ‘where’ this seemingly ‘visceral hatred’ for the black woman comes from.
    Movies/articles/media that seems to disregard the role of BW in BM’s lives are rampant, but not for the reasons you believe.
    Separating BW’s stories from BM’s stories and vice versa is indeed intentional, but the main reason is so ignored and yet so simple, if only you could give a historical precursor to your (valid) argument. Danielle McGuire’s At the Dark End of the Street unintentionally illuminates so much. Perhaps I could drop a hint and say, ‘Operation: We want our negro wench back but why does she have eyes only for her philandering buck?’ To put it politely.
    So this film and others like it are a vehicle for more than just one type of interracial relationship. Just as in ‘At the Dark End of the Street’, the BW’s body is at the center of it all. Even in absentia!

    p/s I am a black woman/film enthusiast.

    1. Blogger, this link is for you, just for you. It explains further, if you scroll down:

      http://books.google.co.ug/books?id=ASvu8-40LR0C&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=%22have+their+chocolate+cake+and+occasionally+eat+it+too%22&source=bl&ots=ETY0XHt_bg&sig=MXgDDndJbnSl2KyBT8Jem_UZB64&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5rsnUNadGue40QWo74HwCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22have%20their%20chocolate%20cake%20and%20occasionally%20eat%20it%20too%22&f=false

      If you apply that to this movie here, don’t you see what this ‘constant absentia of BW from BM’s stories’ is subconsciously promoting? If it is historically so, why would you or I wait on Hollywood to change it? They are not letting go of the BW’s body anytime soon. Certainly not to BM. Hm, When did this happen before I wonder? Oh that’s right? Slavery and Jim Crow.
      Except nowadays they’re even willing to trade an ethnic white Italian woman in to the BM, just to hold onto the BW’s body onscreen, and psyche offscreen.

      1. BW’s body onscreen <Making sure no BM gets a BW in his movie, all the whilst churning out: Monster's Ball, Scandal, True Jackson, Joyful Noise, Colombiana, Boiler Room, A Bronx Tale, Something New, Wonderful World, Last King of Scotland, Strange Days, Lincoln Heights, Zebrahead where WM are all up on BW etc.)

        BW's psyche offscreen (releasing articles abt BM education/prison/interracial dating rates and 'closedminded to IR' BW getting exasperated enough to shit their focus to WM).

        So again, why would you expect George Lucas to okay a movie that promotes black love when he obtained Mellody Hobson due to the perceived 'lack of BM options' in BW's minds?

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    1. Hey, I apologize for taking so long to respond. It’s not difficult to run a blog, it just takes commitment and consistency. You could use wordpress or blogger or any other number of blog sites. I am not that great with coding either, so if I can manage a blog, you can. You just need to plan what you want your blog to be about, pick a format that works for you and then commit yourself to doing it. that is the main thing. If you have any questions, please do not hesistate to ask.